Stacking LSPs

[Rollingrock]

That Bimmer is absolutely stunning.  Black paint with a bit of flake in it is SO much fun to work on... the flake just jumps out of the paint when done well...

I've only done one with that particular color - I think it was called Saphire Black, maybe? - and I kick myself for not taking pictures once I was done with it... I was in a hurry and the owner was taking delivery and I simply didn't have time to pull it off before I got it where I wanted it...

That guy moved away with YUM brands (KFC/Taco Bell/etc)... he was some kind of big-wig with those guys...

-RP-

yup that is the color alright.   I knew I needed something more than SSR1 or even 3, should have used the Menzerna on it.   I remember emailing you and saying, never again will I do that....that paint was just laughing at me. 

[leedriver]

Did you guys decide if BH and WD were an exception to this rule?

My game plan on my black truck for the weekend was going to be:

Polish
BH
EXP
Natty's red

Should I skip one or the other?

[Rockpick]

Others may disagree but, I'd say skip the EXP.

[Rollingrock]

Others may disagree but, I'd say skip the EXP.

Hey, I got no problem with that at all. 

May as well get rid of all my bad habits then..

[FireFighter]

Okay... Someone has do do some serious explaining here...

Since I have never used BH or WD, I have always made some assumptions, and for those particular 2 products, those assumptions were:

That they were more designed to fill in ultra light swirling/LSP marring
That they had either very little or no abrasives at all
That they were not protectants


So I just found out that the last one isnt true... And I guess I need to learn what those are/what they do/when to use them.

Furthermore, I cant help but wonder:
If I use SSR1, is there any step that I should be doing before EX-P? SSR 1 starts of pretty darn gritty, and although I know it diminishes as you work it, I thought that surely there is something I need to be using. (As of recently, I have been opting to use #9... I know it conceals stuff, but I am trying to play it safe here...)

One more thing... (just kidding)
Thanks!

[Rollingrock]

Okay... Someone has do do some serious explaining here...

Since I have never used BH or WD, I have always made some assumptions, and for those particular 2 products, those assumptions were:

That they were more designed to fill in ultra light swirling/LSP marring
That they had either very little or no abrasives at all
That they were not protectants


So I just found out that the last one isnt true... And I guess I need to learn what those are/what they do/when to use them.

Furthermore, I cant help but wonder:
If I use SSR1, is there any step that I should be doing before EX-P? SSR 1 starts of pretty darn gritty, and although I know it diminishes as you work it, I thought that surely there is something I need to be using. (As of recently, I have been opting to use #9... I know it conceals stuff, but I am trying to play it safe here...)

One more thing... (just kidding)
Thanks!

Ryan I think the take away here is that you have a few choices:

With sealant or without after glaze
glaze to LSP or
correction/polish to sealer to LSP

So a scaled down version would be:

SSR1
PP
WD or BH
LSP

Or

SSR1
PP
EX-P

Or

SSR1
PP
LSP


That being said, it does say right on the BH and WD lable to use with EX-P or LSP.  That is the jest I think.

[leedriver]

RR, based on your reply it looks like we should use either a sealant, or a LSP, but not both....

From your posts I know you've done this in the past, and the results look great, but have you ever had a problem appyling all 3 in a row? I guess if one step is removing/affecting the previous layer then it would obviously be a waste of product....

whaddaya think?

[PWR KAT]

Ok, I want to break it down in more generic terms so I understand.  Please correct me if I am mistaken...

Possible steps:

Cleaner
Polish
Sealant

or

Cleaner
Polish
LSP

 

[Rollingrock]

RR, based on your reply it looks like we should use either a sealant, or a LSP, but not both....

From your posts I know you've done this in the past, and the results look great, but have you ever had a problem appyling all 3 in a row? I guess if one step is removing/affecting the previous layer then it would obviously be a waste of product....

whaddaya think?

Well, I am no pro and I don't think I would know if I had any issues with bonding etc.  the "only" real problems I have had with sealants was with Megs #21, I didn't allow it to "cure" and my LSP was incredibly streaky....

My response above was based on what I think I got from Dan and Rock in this thread.

Again though, I haven't had any issues with the 3 glazes I have.  I own ClearKote VHM, BH and WD, I used to have #7 but I donated it to charity.  LOL

[Rollingrock]

Ok, I want to break it down in more generic terms so I understand.  Please correct me if I am mistaken...

Possible steps:

Cleaner
Polish
Sealant

or

Cleaner
Polish
LSP

 

Yes that is the jest I also got, I used product as examples...nice pick up.

[FireFighter]

<snip>

 I used to have #7 but I donated it to charity.  LOL

Hmmm... Wonder what charity that was... O0

Anywho, thanks for the write up...

But the question still begs an answer: I know you cant do an LSP then sealant, but why not in the reverse order?

[Val3ntin0]

Ok, I want to break it down in more generic terms so I understand.  Please correct me if I am mistaken...

Possible steps:

Cleaner
Polish
Sealant

or

Cleaner
Polish
LSP

 

Yes that is the jest I also got, I used product as examples...nice pick up.

before

So if I wanted to use Black Hole somewhere in there, where would it go? In terms of the first option with the inclusion of a sealant. 

[DnD Auto Detailing]

Did you guys decide if BH and WD were an exception to this rule?

My game plan on my black truck for the weekend was going to be:

Polish
BH
EXP
Natty's red

Should I skip one or the other?

A lot of people top sealants with a Carnauba. I dont really agree with it however.

Okay... Someone has do do some serious explaining here...

Since I have never used BH or WD, I have always made some assumptions, and for those particular 2 products, those assumptions were:

That they were more designed to fill in ultra light swirling/LSP marring
That they had either very little or no abrasives at all
That they were not protectants


So I just found out that the last one isnt true... And I guess I need to learn what those are/what they do/when to use them.

All of those assumptions are true. A glaze with polymers in it will not offer much protection. I would not rely only on a product like that for protection.

Furthermore, I cant help but wonder:
If I use SSR1, is there any step that I should be doing before EX-P? SSR 1 starts of pretty darn gritty, and although I know it diminishes as you work it, I thought that surely there is something I need to be using. (As of recently, I have been opting to use #9... I know it conceals stuff, but I am trying to play it safe here...)

One more thing... (just kidding)
Thanks!

You're getting into a completely different discussion, which is a lot more complicated. Basically what it comes down to is, what type of pad is being used with SSR1.

RR, based on your reply it looks like we should use either a sealant, or a LSP, but not both....

From your posts I know you've done this in the past, and the results look great, but have you ever had a problem appyling all 3 in a row? I guess if one step is removing/affecting the previous layer then it would obviously be a waste of product....

whaddaya think?

LSP= Carnauba or a sealant. 99.9% of the time the sealant is before the Carnauba. Using both is fine, I just personally dont agree with the reasoning people do it.

Ok, I want to break it down in more generic terms so I understand.  Please correct me if I am mistaken...

Possible steps:

Cleaner
Polish
Sealant

or

Cleaner
Polish
LSP

Either is fine, but why do you need a cleaner before polish?

[Rollingrock]

Val, sorry I am idoit. I thought I was replying to your thread but instead I somehow edited it.  Sorry about that.   

Sometimes  :admp: ain't what its all cracked up to be.

[05_sprcrw]

Well that helped to clear it up a ton for me.