ALL PAINT SELANTS: LIST WITH COMMENTS.

[Ausstar]

hey guys.

Im trying to research all the different types of paint sealants out there. I have checked with multiple dealerships and found a lot of the big names. I am working with one company that has, in my mind, the best available sealer but I want to find out as much info as I can so I can confirm my findings.

Thanx in advance.

Lets make this a post that can inform everyone on the technologies and options so we all know what we can do ourselves and what we should be aware of at the dealership.

Some quick tech talk and info we all should know.

1. A sealer is synthetic super wax that provides greater performance and durability than a standard wax.
2. Most are claimed to be Polymeric based, which is very vague because a polymer is little more than multiple silicons and/or resins. (NOTE: This does not mean it has to contain silicon!!)
3. We may never know what is exactly in these claimed sealers that are polymer based.
4. Silicon breaks down under UV attack and dissolves under detergent! Therefore just about useless as far as protection goes.
5. Teflon is extremely slick and slippery therefore impossible to cure to auto paint. This is where the PTFE comes from and needs 650+ degrees to cure to anything.!!!!

Below is one link for lots of good neutral advice about all this. Even though they are based in my home country Aus, their product is not as reliable as it sounds, good info none the less:)
http://www.mobileworks.com/auto-waxes-polishes.html

Popular products are as follows: These are most common at dealers and estimated cost is included.

Perma-Plate: Most common. Well marketed but will wash off and lasts a max of 3 months. Requires re-ap to maintain warranty. Silicon based. App $25-50 per QT!
Simonz: Silicon based. Does not last. Warranty requires re-ap. $Unsure but cheaper than most.
Xzilon: 30 year old Mold technology. Based on silicon and must be taken care of carefully to avoid protection failure. Exclusive to dealers for sale and therefore expensive. One of the more popular at dealerships.
Solar Shield: $80/gal, $35/qt. $500 applied at dealer. Again Silicon based and reports to only last for 6 months. U get 3 year warranty and free re-ap every 6 months. Thats all i have found out.
Auto Butler: A special machine is used to apply this product.... the "Special machine" is like a big car wash with pretty blue feathers.. Ooohh pretty colors :rn: i would never let my car go anywhere near that thing! Its $99 for a coating and lasts until you get your car washed!! :lame:

Others include ToughGurad, PermaShield, Black Diamond, Finishing Touch and lots of others.

These are all dealer products. Some work better than others but the one common factor is the ridiculous money they charge for something you could do yourself and lasts nowhere near as long as claimed.

My favs are as follows.

TC-3, and Black Pudding
Menzerna Acrylic Jacket

and the mystery product that I will release as soon when we get labeling sorted out. Its a coating that offers a Life-time Warranty and is based off a brand new technology. It does not come off and offers close to Zymol reflective results.

More to come.

Love any feedback and more tech talk from other experts/pro's.

Cheers
T

[Lumadar]

I've yet to hear about a miracle sealant that actually works.

Instead, I hear most pros using long-lasting waxes or traditional sealants like collinite wax.

[Val3ntin0]

When I bought my Ford they convinced me to get the Auto Butler stuff, and that I had to do it every 6 months. I think I paid $500 for a lifetime...but if you miss a session it's voided. Sure enough, I didn't go after 6 months.

The dealership had power lines running over it and the birds supposedly wrecked havoc on the paint jobs with their doodoos. So, they had convinced me that this Auto Butler stuff helped protect the paint. Dang, I wish I had seen this in December... Then again, I didn't even know how or why to clay back then....  :rofl:

[Rockpick]

I've yet to hear about a miracle sealant that actually works.

Instead, I hear most pros using long-lasting waxes or traditional sealants like collinite wax.

I tend to be cut from this cloth based upon my personal experiences as well...

While I know technology is driving the automotive protection industry, I am very apprehensive about a 'miracle potion' that be of great significance...

[hwm3]

I've yet to hear about a miracle sealant that actually works.

Instead, I hear most pros using long-lasting waxes or traditional sealants like collinite wax.

I tend to be cut from this cloth based upon my personal experiences as well...

While I know technology is driving the automotive protection industry, I am very apprehensive about a 'miracle potion' that be of great significance...

Put me in this category as well.

Also, I don't see the point of a sealant with years of durability.

[Ausstar]

yeah u guys are right. And I am the first to say stick with the best carnauba u can find.. but even those these days are becoming more and more refined. I have not tried the new Wolfgang but I am apprehensive to mix the 2 together unless us put a good sealer on before a Carny.

This new sealer I have found is the real deal though. So far I have found their treatment to offer very close results to Vintage Glaze as far as reflection and gloss goes, which I use on demand. Still more info to come.

The thing that I have come to notice- and this can help all u guys as a test.- If its a tough product to use and does not come off with traditional methods as easily, then it lasts a lot longer. Like I said ill update more in depth later when I have all my ducks in a row but there will be specific guidelines to applying this and therefore not for the average joe.

[Too Stroked]

Here's my personal position on the whole "miracle sealer" thing. There have been lots of waxes and / or sealants offered over the years - mostly by dealers. Every single one I have seen has turned out to be a mystery product applied by a 16 year old minimum wage moron from a spray bottle in about 15 minutes in the corner of the service department. Oh yea, and the markup was as astronomical as the performance was not. Said another way, they were all "dealer profit in a bottle" and were thus treated and sold that way. So, no matter who comes out with a new product that falls in this category is going to have to face a pretty stiff head wind.

Now for personal preference. Even if somebody did come out with a product that actually did seal the surface and had some kind of fantastic durability, I wouldn't use it. Why? Because no matter how well it would seal, my vehicles get driven / worked / used / washed. That means I'm going to pick up imperfections over time that need to be corrected. As soon as I whip out my PC and some polishing products, the miracle sealer is history. That's my 2 cents.

 :mooner: (With all due respect)

[Ausstar]

Here's my personal position on the whole "miracle sealer" thing. There have been lots of waxes and / or sealants offered over the years - mostly by dealers. Every single one I have seen has turned out to be a mystery product applied by a 16 year old minimum wage moron from a spray bottle in about 15 minutes in the corner of the service department. Oh yea, and the markup was as astronomical as the performance was not. Said another way, they were all "dealer profit in a bottle" and were thus treated and sold that way. So, no matter who comes out with a new product that falls in this category is going to have to face a pretty stiff head wind.

Now for personal preference. Even if somebody did come out with a product that actually did seal the surface and had some kind of fantastic durability, I wouldn't use it. Why? Because no matter how well it would seal, my vehicles get driven / worked / used / washed. That means I'm going to pick up imperfections over time that need to be corrected. As soon as I whip out my PC and some polishing products, the miracle sealer is history. That's my 2 cents.

 :mooner: (With all due respect)

And if you read my post, thats exactly what I outlined. Low cost product, poorly put on, could do better yourself. we have been facing this dilemma for years and its been dealer scams for the most part but things change.!

This new product DOES NOT COME OFF!! But we'll have to wait until people get it and have some time to post results until we get some real believers. U have to believe that if someone wanted to achieve these results they would eventually. Whole man on the moon thing.

Couple of key points mooner.
1. This stuff takes minimum of 3 to 4 hours to apply (1 person app)
2. Its 3-4 steps and will coast around $250 per car for product. The elements are expensive.
3. It is showing about 20-40% stronger resistance to scratching and what I have found is that the hairlines that come up are in the coating itself and will polish out much easier WITHOUT AFFECTING THE DURABILITY.
4. I charge between $500 - $650 just to apply not including prep and correction. ($50-75/hour)
I expect the dealerships to charge around $800-1500.

The key thing in all of this will be the LIFETIME WARRANTY. It covers against animal and vegetable stains, loss of gloss from Oxidization, sun damage, fading paint which will all be corrected free of charge by certified pro. If it can not be corrected area will be painted free of charge. Now thats a warranty!!! You just cant argue with that.

Its extremely easy to wash once the product bakes and cures into paint. (24 hours). And I love the fact that I can still polish if I get and scratches.

anyway.

lets get some more info about other products too. Not really my intention to get into the new one too much yet.

Thanks guys.

[Rockpick]

Ehh, I'll bite and say that I'm interested in what you're pulling together...


If it can genuinely do what you're saying that it does, it'd be one heck of a product.  The 'repaint the affected area' thing as part of the warranty is interesting.  I'm sure that your legal team has given that one heck of go-over.

[hwm3]

This new product wouldn't be from Optimum, would it?

[Obsessive Detail]

This new product wouldn't be from Optimum, would it?

That is exactly what I was about to ask!

This sounds a lot like an Optimum product that has been in the works for quite some time.  It isn't actually a sealant, it is a coating.

[Rockpick]

This new product wouldn't be from Optimum, would it?

That is exactly what I was about to ask!

This sounds a lot like an Optimum product that has been in the works for quite some time.  It isn't actually a sealant, it is a coating.

Kind of like icing?  I really like icing.  Yummy.

[Too Stroked]

Here's my personal position on the whole "miracle sealer" thing. There have been lots of waxes and / or sealants offered over the years - mostly by dealers. Every single one I have seen has turned out to be a mystery product applied by a 16 year old minimum wage moron from a spray bottle in about 15 minutes in the corner of the service department. Oh yea, and the markup was as astronomical as the performance was not. Said another way, they were all "dealer profit in a bottle" and were thus treated and sold that way. So, no matter who comes out with a new product that falls in this category is going to have to face a pretty stiff head wind.

Now for personal preference. Even if somebody did come out with a product that actually did seal the surface and had some kind of fantastic durability, I wouldn't use it. Why? Because no matter how well it would seal, my vehicles get driven / worked / used / washed. That means I'm going to pick up imperfections over time that need to be corrected. As soon as I whip out my PC and some polishing products, the miracle sealer is history. That's my 2 cents.

 :mooner: (With all due respect)

And if you read my post, thats exactly what I outlined. Low cost product, poorly put on, could do better yourself. we have been facing this dilemma for years and its been dealer scams for the most part but things change.!

This new product DOES NOT COME OFF!! But we'll have to wait until people get it and have some time to post results until we get some real believers. U have to believe that if someone wanted to achieve these results they would eventually. Whole man on the moon thing.

Couple of key points mooner.
1. This stuff takes minimum of 3 to 4 hours to apply (1 person app)
2. Its 3-4 steps and will coast around $250 per car for product. The elements are expensive.
3. It is showing about 20-40% stronger resistance to scratching and what I have found is that the hairlines that come up are in the coating itself and will polish out much easier WITHOUT AFFECTING THE DURABILITY.
4. I charge between $500 - $650 just to apply not including prep and correction. ($50-75/hour)
I expect the dealerships to charge around $800-1500.

The key thing in all of this will be the LIFETIME WARRANTY. It covers against animal and vegetable stains, loss of gloss from Oxidization, sun damage, fading paint which will all be corrected free of charge by certified pro. If it can not be corrected area will be painted free of charge. Now thats a warranty!!! You just cant argue with that.

Its extremely easy to wash once the product bakes and cures into paint. (24 hours). And I love the fact that I can still polish if I get and scratches.

anyway.

lets get some more info about other products too. Not really my intention to get into the new one too much yet.

Thanks guys.

Well, now that you put it that way, the product might just have a chance. Unfortunately, it will have to overcome all of the negative thoughts generated by previous products. Based on the price point you mention, I don't think the "average joe" is going to go for it either. But, for somebody with an expensive vehicle and some money, they just might go for it.

One other big hurdle I think anybody would have to get over with something new like this is any possible long term negative effects on the substrate. Can you imagine sinking that kind of money into something for your baby - only to find 10 years later that your paint curls up and falls off?

[attworth]

Sounds cool, but even if I made a lot more money I don't think I'd get it. I personally like erasing the work I've done every 3-4 months and starting over. It's a way to stay interested in my vehicle without sinking thousands of dollars into it to change it when I get bored.

Being able to 'correct' it is pretty nice. But then again isn't that what clear coat is for? What about after I polish out the hairline scratches and inevitable micro-marring - reapply?

I've got a lot of opinions, but then again I'm a "green-to-the-world" yougin'.

[Boss_429]

Interesting topic. I don't have much more to add other than the fact that every one of these products I've ever head about, or seen is pure "junk". Simply a pocket stuffer for dealers and appliers.

The new product that you've mentioned sounds interesting. Although, I would be equally concerned about a product that "DOES NOT COME OFF"! If it truly does not come off, then it would have to be applied to an absolutely pristine paint surface... something that dealers (or sealant appliers) don't have a clue about. Secondly, if the product only partially "DOESN'T COME OFF", it will look like crap in the areas that it starts to lose it's substance. Plus, in this case, removing the rest of the product would probably be a nightmare.

Sorry, I just don't like these "Billy Mays" type products.

There are a couple of simple, excellent, protective, long lasting synthetic waxes on the market (like Zaino), that will last a long time given the proper paint prep and maintenance. They are also a LOT cheaper than any of the "Miracle" products.