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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kitzy on August 06, 2020, 07:52:50 AM
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Researching and planning ahead. Will probably get a toy hauler. First major question, what would be the upper limit on size when pulling with an 18 F250 6.7 diesel. Jason, I thought I remember you saying you wish you would have went with an F350.
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I don't have a 5th wheel but I do have a 30 foot camper and I also tow a boat from time to time. I know that you tow frequently so, for what it's worth, when I was shopping, I discovered several things:
1. RV dealers will sell you anything regardless of your tow vehicle.
2. Pay attention to your truck's GCVWR, which is the total weight of everything, including truck, camper, passengers and stuff.
3. Dry weight of my camper is usually about 1000 pounds shy of what I'm actually pulling. Water (at 8 lbs. a gallon), propane and everything else you take with you add up quickly. Note, I don't travel with water. Adding the *toys* in a toy hauler takes it up even more.
4. Everyone has their own opinions about what you should and shouldn't do. Take advice (including mine :redneck:) with a grain of salt.
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I don't have a 5th wheel but I do have a 30 foot camper and I also tow a boat from time to time. I know that you tow frequently so, for what it's worth, when I was shopping, I discovered several things:
1. RV dealers will sell you anything regardless of your tow vehicle.
2. Pay attention to your truck's GCVWR, which is the total weight of everything, including truck, camper, passengers and stuff.
3. Dry weight of my camper is usually about 1000 pounds shy of what I'm actually pulling. Water (at 8 lbs. a gallon), propane and everything else you take with you add up quickly. Note, I don't travel with water. Adding the *toys* in a toy hauler takes it up even more.
4. Everyone has their own opinions about what you should and shouldn't do. Take advice (including mine :redneck:) with a grain of salt.
Thanks. By the way, in a world for of instant notifications, I caught the pre-edit. Thought, man, that wasn't helpful at all. Haha.
Another question is, when is a standard drivers license not enough anymore. I dont see it being an issue but I like to know things. Haha. I was reading a 5th wheel can be up to 15k. Then there's gcvwr which is 26k and if that's the case can the camper be the difference of your trucks gvwr and the 26k?
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Haha! Yep. I accidentally hit send.
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Researching and planning ahead. Will probably get a toy hauler. First major question, what would be the upper limit on size when pulling with an 18 F250 6.7 diesel. Jason, I thought I remember you saying you wish you would have went with an F350.
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Mike, with most toy haulers are you going to be over cargo weight on the pin. Check that sticker in your door...that is your cargo weight...including you, passengers, fuel, coolers and the pin weight of the trailer.
Toy haulers are more like 25% of the Gross weight of the trailer. Normal 5th wheels 20%. Even if you have toys in the garage that won't take away much pin weight at all...like maybe 100lbs. I see F250's all day long pulling toy haulers but they are all overweight in an F250....the 350 just gives you the larger axel and 1 extra spring in the pack, that is the only difference.
That said, you could get air bags, sumno springs etc....but net is, you will still be overweight. Hell, I am having hard time finding a 5th wheel within speck of my truck...my cargo is only 2174 lbs. Most 5th wheels these days are a tad pin heavy...
we have had 2 5ers. first one would be equal to the Jayco HT line. (Half ton towable-----laughable) they are super light, and won't know its there on a 250....if you go to JayCo Eagle....now you are in real weight and those rigs don't have a dropped frame either. Toy Haulers, are heavy. and the living space unless you get a 3axle version is tiny.
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A 3 axle is only out of the question because they're too heavy for the F250. I would love a Seismic. I have a family member in Tennessee who has a 2015 Forest River XLR Thunderbolt that he pulls with his 2011 F250. He said it's 37', 11,500 lbs. He said with the SxS and luggage he's probably over. That said, he's in Tennessee where rules don't matter.
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Check you local laws, we can’t pull a trailer that is 10k lbs or more without a higher class drivers license.
What is your payload on your truck? Like Jason said, pin weight is usually pretty crazy on the 5th wheels, but they will pull Better than a bumper pull IMO. Also, 1200lbs hanging off your back hitch has more leverage than 1500lbs on a pin in the box.
I was surprised that most F250’s have a lower payload than a F150 with HDPP.
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Check you local laws, we can’t pull a trailer that is 10k lbs or more without a higher class drivers license.
What is your payload on your truck? Like Jason said, pin weight is usually pretty crazy on the 5th wheels, but they will pull Better than a bumper pull IMO. Also, 1200lbs hanging off your back hitch has more leverage than 1500lbs on a pin in the box.
I was surprised that most F250’s have a lower payload than a F150 with HDPP.
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I think 10k is the pull behind and 15k is 5th wheel. Combined weight is 26000 or less before needing a special license. So if I'm understanding this correctly, my truck being 10k gvwr gives me enough room to tow 16k before hitting 26k but realistically only 15k because that seems to be the 5th wheel limit. But then I cant go over the cargo weight with the pin weight which is pretty low at 2364lbs. Figuring 400 lbs (I need to work on that, haha) with just me an Cassie and an additional 200 lbs worth of dogs if we take them, that doesn't leave much. Am I looking at this right?
Been looking at duallys and it seems all of the duallys are lariats which are out of my price range, especially if I'm adding a camper payment. Are there no XLT Duallys?
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Yup, you pretty much got it. That why usually payload is the limiting factor. It doesn’t take much.
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Yup, you pretty much got it. That why usually payload is the limiting factor. It doesn’t take much.
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So with just me and Cassie, I'm left with about 1900 lbs to spare, roughly. Given Jason's estimate of 20% pin weight (25% for toy hauler), that leaves me with a max camper weight of 9500lbs (7600lbs if a toy hauler) to stay legal. Man that seems low.
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I'm having difficulty finding information on trucks and payload and payload vs cargo weight. Payload numbers seem to vary a good bit from what I see online compared to the cargo weight on my trucks door sticker. Is there a difference? Also, I can't find a good source for finding the different numbers between the f250, f350 are and the f350 dually. And then do I believe the payload numbers on any of the trucks if none of them match my current set up?
It's hard to find a sweet spot for what I need. It seems an f250 can't legally haul what I need. And I dually has a gvwr so high that it doesn't leave enough room for a trailer in the weight class that I want. Even though legally the truck could pull it, my license wouldn't allow it.
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It’s a actually kinda crazy how much payload can vary. The F150 can literally go from a payload of under a thousand pounds to almost three thousand pounds.
Sounds to me like you need to target a nicely loaded XLT F350 (or other brand one-ton tomorrow).
If you are not worried about DOT, you can easily tow what a one-ton tows, but should update you springs.
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It’s a actually kinda crazy how much payload can vary. The F150 can literally go from a payload of under a thousand pounds to almost three thousand pounds.
Sounds to me like you need to target a nicely loaded XLT F350 (or other brand one-ton tomorrow).
If you are not worried about DOT, you can easily tow what a one-ton tows, but should update you springs.
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I don't know where my travels are going to take me once we get our set up. Most of my driving for work is in Pennsylvania and NJ and both states are a pain in the ass for DOT stopping and going over your rig. Staying legal is important. Down in Tennessee the cops will just wave as you pass by with the sketchiest of setups.
I am entertaining both f350 Duallys and SRW. I just need to find out roughly what the SRW offers as far as payload but I don't feel like I can trust online numbers.
Also, the license thing may just be a small hiccup. I can also upgrade my license to a non commercial class A which would allow me to tow over 26000 lbs as long as it's not commercial. Cassie actually has her CDL Class A do she can always pull it and I can just get deathly sick as I always do when I'm a passenger. Haha
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Yup, you pretty much got it. That why usually payload is the limiting factor. It doesn’t take much.
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So with just me and Cassie, I'm left with about 1900 lbs to spare, roughly. Given Jason's estimate of 20% pin weight (25% for toy hauler), that leaves me with a max camper weight of 9500lbs (7600lbs if a toy hauler) to stay legal. Man that seems low.
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Mike this is the Bible for Ford Towing.
This is what I live and go by, plus my specific truck specs that are in the door. Now Granted people say you can add air bags and yes I have done that in the the past (Sumo springs now) but the difference in 350 and 250 is more than just a leaf spring and overloads...its the rear axle diameter too. 350's have larger rear axles. thus the payload increase.
Live here first:
https://www.fleet.ford.com/content/dam/aem_fleet/en_us/fleet/towing-guides/2019_Ford_RVandTrailerTowingGuide.pdf (https://www.fleet.ford.com/content/dam/aem_fleet/en_us/fleet/towing-guides/2019_Ford_RVandTrailerTowingGuide.pdf)
Now if you really want to know how it works, read this taken from the Jayco Owners site, there are some really smart people over there when it comes to towing.
"North American and Foreign Automobile manufacturer's publish Tow Ratings (or tow limits) for most of the vehicles they manufacture, but what most of us don't know is that a published Tow Rating can be a little mis-leading.
Automotive engineers calculate a Tow Rating based on five major components of the given model vehicle in question, that being; the Engine, Transmission, Axles, Brakes, and Frame. Now, where does the weight of the vehicle come into play? Well, this is the part of a Tow Rating that is frequently overlooked by consumers......
Since any given model vehicle can be configured differently with options (ie; 4WD, sun roof, trim packages, etc.), and used differently by the consumer, the engineers had to come up with a means of associating a specific vehicle weight to a publicized Tow Rating. This is where a vehicle's "Curb Weight" comes in the picture. Every vehicle is assigned a "Curb Weight" which represents the base model vehicle including a 150lb driver and a full tank of fuel (includes all fluids required to make the vehicle operational).
Bottom line: Manufacture Tow Ratings are based on the specified Curb Weight of the base model vehicle in question. If you look at the fine print under most publicized Tow Ratings you will find that the Tow Rating doesn't include the combined weights of the vehicle's OP&C (options, passengers, and cargo). To determine the ACTUAL Tow Rating one must subtract the combined weights of OP&C from the publicized Tow Rating.
When shopping for a new TV, know that you will have to subtract OP&C weight from the publicized Tow Rating. If you have an existing TV, take it to a CAT scale and weigh it under loaded conditions..., then:
(Weight of OP&C) = (CAT Scale Weight) - (TV Curb Weight)
(ACTUAL Tow Rating) = (Published Tow Rating) - (Weight of OP&C)
Working within the weight limits of any given TV, TT, HTT, PUP, etc., will make for a safe and enjoyable towing experience."
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I just want to add
If you and I both keep our current TV's....no matter what 5er you put back there we are going to be border line or over.
Is it the end of the world no. I looked at the specs of my past 2 5ers and only one of them was in spec for the 06 KR I had...i did have air bags with compressor and I could air up as needed....our last 5er was 9400 lbs dry....by math the pin weight should of been around 1400 lbs but it wasn't, it was closer to 2200 lbs when loaded. I ran 45-55 lbs of air in the bags to bring the set up to level. Was I over pin weight, you betcha....was i over gross...no but borderline. Did I tow it with ease, you betcha....if I ever got in an accident and they checked the door or specs of the truck....welp I would probably be liable for being over weight.
Is our motor strong enough to pull anything....yes it is. Do people do it? ALL DAY LONG. I have seen more overloaded F250s since i started loooking. I have seen 3X Toy Haulers getting pulled daily with 250s....they are way over weight.
Comes down to, are you good with that? Rolling down the highway at 70 mph with that much in your back pack is something to think about.
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I just want to add
If you and I both keep our current TV's....no matter what 5er you put back there we are going to be border line or over.
Is it the end of the world no. I looked at the specs of my past 2 5ers and only one of them was in spec for the 06 KR I had...i did have air bags with compressor and I could air up as needed....our last 5er was 9400 lbs dry....by math the pin weight should of been around 1400 lbs but it wasn't, it was closer to 2200 lbs when loaded. I ran 45-55 lbs of air in the bags to bring the set up to level. Was I over pin weight, you betcha....was i over gross...no but borderline. Did I tow it with ease, you betcha....if I ever got in an accident and they checked the door or specs of the truck....welp I would probably be liable for being over weight.
Is our motor strong enough to pull anything....yes it is. Do people do it? ALL DAY LONG. I have seen more overloaded F250s since i started loooking. I have seen 3X Toy Haulers getting pulled daily with 250s....they are way over weight.
Comes down to, are you good with that? Rolling down the highway at 70 mph with that much in your back pack is something to think about.
All very helpful. Thank you.
I'm still looking for accurate numbers to compare, even if slightly generalized because of vehicle options, between and f250 crew cab and an f350 crew cab. I am confident in my ability to handle the extra load but DOT is out in droves going over vehicles that are towing and throwing scales under stuff. It's even worse in NJ where I frequent. So far it's been only drive on scales that weigh the current combined weight that I have had to deal with but I see it at turnpike tolls all the time where they get the scales out and are crawling all underneath of the vehicles. Most of the time they're just screwing with mexicans in box trucks marked only by graffiti running out of state plates. But the fear is still there.
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Only thing I would think about, if you’re considering a DRW is driving it around and parking in the city. They aren’t the most fun to park.
I’m not sure if you’ll see much difference in MPGs. My brothers F450 DRW was not a much different than his F250.
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Only thing I would think about, if you’re considering a DRW is driving it around and parking in the city. They aren’t the most fun to park.
I’m not sure if you’ll see much difference in MPGs. My brothers F450 DRW was not a much different than his F250.
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Back when I bought my 2015 GMC 2500, I test drove a 14 Ram Laramie Dually. I really liked it but didn't like the idea of parking it in parking lots. It was a lot of truck. It actually had less mileage and was cheaper but I didn't think it was right for me. I didn't need it either. I've always sort of regretted it. And I'm worried I'm going to regret it again but my mind set is still on that same wavelength that if I dont need it, in other words if a SRW will get the job done, then don't get one. All comes down to the numbers though. What I need and what I can find. It sucks that it's so difficult to just go window shop. Everywhere wants an appointment.
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Only thing I would think about, if you’re considering a DRW is driving it around and parking in the city. They aren’t the most fun to park.
I’m not sure if you’ll see much difference in MPGs. My brothers F450 DRW was not a much different than his F250.
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Back when I bought my 2015 GMC 2500, I test drove a 14 Ram Laramie Dually. I really liked it but didn't like the idea of parking it in parking lots. It was a lot of truck. It actually had less mileage and was cheaper but I didn't think it was right for me. I didn't need it either. I've always sort of regretted it. And I'm worried I'm going to regret it again but my mind set is still on that same wavelength that if I dont need it, in other words if a SRW will get the job done, then don't get one. All comes down to the numbers though. What I need and what I can find. It sucks that it's so difficult to just go window shop. Everywhere wants an appointment.
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Good plan, because otherwise you may not be super happy about the choice in the end.
It’s also alway possible for you to grab a little shitbox and use that for daily tasks. I found a nice ‘09 Legacy GT for $4k, that I should have jumped on.
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Mike,
Is there a reason you don't look at a Gas RV with an option for a trailer for toys or car carrier for Cassie's car in tow ?
Mom & Dad are still using their 2001 Itasca 38G for snow bird winter trips south pulling the CRV on a dolly. They put 6K+ miles on this setup from JAN to APR each year.
By time you get a 5th wheel toy hauler Travel Trailer, a TV that can legally haul it and maybe look to an additional vehicle for daily tasks, you might be money ahead to get a RV that will pull the SBS's or Cassie's car behind it.
I think you already have the trailer for the SBS's.
Most states do not need a different license for an RV.
Just a thought...
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Mike,
Is there a reason you don't look at a Gas RV with an option for a trailer for toys or car carrier for Cassie's car in tow ?
Mom & Dad are still using their 2001 Itasca 38G for snow bird winter trips south pulling the CRV on a dolly. They put 6K+ miles on this setup from JAN to APR each year.
By time you get a 5th wheel toy hauler Travel Trailer, a TV that can legally haul it and maybe look to an additional vehicle for daily tasks, you might be money ahead to get a RV that will pull the SBS's or Cassie's car behind it.
I think you already have the trailer for the SBS's.
Most states do not need a different license for an RV.
Just a thought...
A fair thought. I might not have a good reason really other than I dont really like them. They're also fairly expensive. Atleast to my taste. I don't know much about them. Can you level them out when you park to set up camp? We may not always haul toys but we so plan on loading the dogs up and traveling around a bit. We have no idea where our travels where take us but I want to be flexible. Also, a big factor is that my daily driver has the fuel payed for through my company. Within reason anyway. I'd foot the bill if I was driving across country because I just feel it's the right thing to so but not for a days drive.
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I might not have a good reason really other than I dont really like them.
That would be a show stopper.
They're also fairly expensive. Atleast to my taste.
If you are including the TV, a toybox Travel trailer and having to get a new Daily driver not sure how an RV is going to be more.
Taste is going to be equal from the TT to the RV, or at least should be if you are comparing apples to apples. If you are dumping in a 5 gal bucket in the Toy hauler, don't complain about only having a 45" LCD on the RV.
A fairly new F450 DRW is going to be ~ 50% of the cost of a fairly new 35' + dual side slides RV... A 2016 F450 dually ( in range of 001 ) is 47K.
2015 Itasca Suncruiser 35P over in knoxville is $100K ( 25K miles ). V10 with the 5 speed trans on a Ford F53 chassis w/ 5K towing ( 24K GVWR ).
(https://cdn2.rvtrader.com/v1/media/5f44b13f599dff4f7963a1bb.jpg)
BTW : Don't let anyone kid you, a gas RV will get the job done hauling a trailer or a car dolly. Mom & Dad have north of 100K miles in this conifg ( 2001 version ) including the Blueridge, smokies and in the foot hills of CO ( Pueblo and Denver ) towing car dolly.
Can you level them out when you park to set up camp?
Yep. Dad's 2001 Itasca has the controls in the cab.
He added the autolevel unit that is bluetooth to a tablet or phone that takes care of leveling it instead of watching the bubble level on the counter. The unit shows you which way needs to move up with the auto option.
Awnings, theirs are manual, but the example above where the auto awnings ( will close if the win is too high ).
We have no idea where our travels where take us but I want to be flexible.
Not sure what this means.
Do you plan on taking a 5th wheel more off road than an RV ?
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I might not have a good reason really other than I dont really like them.
That would be a show stopper.
They're also fairly expensive. Atleast to my taste.
If you are including the TV, a toybox Travel trailer and having to get a new Daily driver not sure how an RV is going to be more.
Taste is going to be equal from the TT to the RV, or at least should be if you are comparing apples to apples. If you are dumping in a 5 gal bucket in the Toy hauler, don't complain about only having a 45" LCD on the RV.
A fairly new F450 DRW is going to be ~ 50% of the cost of a fairly new 35' + dual side slides RV... A 2016 F450 dually ( in range of 001 ) is 47K.
2015 Itasca Suncruiser 35P over in knoxville is $100K ( 25K miles ). V10 with the 5 speed trans on a Ford F53 chassis w/ 5K towing ( 24K GVWR ).
(https://cdn2.rvtrader.com/v1/media/5f44b13f599dff4f7963a1bb.jpg)
BTW : Don't let anyone kid you, a gas RV will get the job done hauling a trailer or a car dolly. Mom & Dad have north of 100K miles in this conifg ( 2001 version ) including the Blueridge, smokies and in the foot hills of CO ( Pueblo and Denver ) towing car dolly.
Can you level them out when you park to set up camp?
Yep. Dad's 2001 Itasca has the controls in the cab.
He added the autolevel unit that is bluetooth to a tablet or phone that takes care of leveling it instead of watching the bubble level on the counter. The unit shows you which way needs to move up with the auto option.
Awnings, theirs are manual, but the example above where the auto awnings ( will close if the win is too high ).
We have no idea where our travels where take us but I want to be flexible.
Not sure what this means.
Do you plan on taking a 5th wheel more off road than an RV ?
I wouldn't go as high as a F450. Right out of the gate that really limits my towing to 10k legally as most 4500s/F450s are already GVWR of 16k. 26k is the GCVWR limit for a standard license. The new (to me) tow vehicle would be an F350. I just don't know if a SRW will be enough truck or if a DRW will be too much truck on the same way that an F450 is too much truck. The cost of the new vehicle is minor as long as it fits my budget. Ita not like I'm choosing between having a daily and having an RV. I need the daily regardless of whether I scrapped this whole idea or not. The financial part of the daily will be there regardless. It's just a matter of will it cost me an extra $5k-$10k for the upgrade. I will likely go with a very lightly used camper. And actually traveling down to the Knoxville area is a real possibility since that's the area where we have family. He's always looking for me and sending me campers. They're much cheaper down there. So maybe daily and camper put me at 100k give or take but that's better than 100k for the RV and then the cost of a daily on top of that.
The part about not knowing where our travels will take us had more to do with the leveling aspect of the RV. You never know where you might end up setting up shop. It was a sincere question when I asked if they leveled because I just didn't know.
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Well I did a thing today... I completed step one of the camper process. I'm really sad to see the 18 F250 go. It was fun to drive. I enjoyed it. It just wasn't up to the task of towing anything. This will fix that issue while adding a little luxury back to my life. Had to go a couple years older but lower miles.
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Well I did a thing today... I completed step one of the camper process. I'm really sad to see the 18 F250 go. It was fun to drive. I enjoyed it. It just wasn't up to the task of towing anything. This will fix that issue while adding a little luxury back to my life. Had to go a couple years older but lower miles.
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SWEET! Congratulations! Don't tease us with just one pic though!
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Well I did a thing today... I completed step one of the camper process. I'm really sad to see the 18 F250 go. It was fun to drive. I enjoyed it. It just wasn't up to the task of towing anything. This will fix that issue while adding a little luxury back to my life. Had to go a couple years older but lower miles.
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SWEET! Congratulations! Don't tease us with just one pic though!
Tomorrow. Haha. It was dark when I got home. If it's light on t before I pull out with the company truck tomorrow morning I will grab a few pics.
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Bloody hell, should be able to pretty much pull anything. I would love to see the sticker in the door for payload....
Congrats man. If I had a place to park that, I would consider going that direction and then hit the 3 axle toy hauler!
Which sounds like you are leaning that way.....LOL.
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Awesome! My brother loves his 450!
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Well I did a thing today... I completed step one of the camper process. I'm really sad to see the 18 F250 go. It was fun to drive. I enjoyed it. It just wasn't up to the task of towing anything. This will fix that issue while adding a little luxury back to my life. Had to go a couple years older but lower miles.
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SWEET! Congratulations! Don't tease us with just one pic though!
Tomorrow. Haha. It was dark when I got home. If it's light on t before I pull out with the company truck tomorrow morning I will grab a few pics.
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Did I mention that I kinda like the color too? :funny:
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I think that’s a good thing in this case. That’s a lot of sheet metal to keep shiny
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Bloody hell, should be able to pretty much pull anything. I would love to see the sticker in the door for payload....
Congrats man. If I had a place to park that, I would consider going that direction and then hit the 3 axle toy hauler!
Which sounds like you are leaning that way.....LOL.
So the payload is a weird one. It's not as high as you would expect but it's plenty high enough. If it was a chassis cab it would probably be higher. It would also have a lot less power. But the truck is heavy and still has a GVWR of an F350 dually.
I did run out to snag a picture of the sticker for you. And I guess one for Tom as well. Haha. Had to grab one with Cassie's ultra wide iphone lens until I can upgrade my phone. Truck is too big to get a good photo inside the garage.
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That’s still pretty impressive!
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That’s still pretty impressive!
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It will get the job done and look good doing it!
For comparison though, my work truck is a '16 Ram 4500 with a payload over 7,000 lbs. Being a chassis cab though, I'm pretty sure that's before the incredibly heavy 10' stake body is put on.
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Time for upgrades... oh and maybe some paint coating... :redneck:
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So I didn't get a chance to get any pictures today. Short days and long hours don't mix.
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4800 lbs of cargo, dude, there is no fithwheel on this planet with that much pin weight...you should be good to go....LOL
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4800 lbs of cargo, dude, there is no fithwheel on this planet with that much pin weight...you should be good to go....LOL
Hey, I said it would work. Haha.
So we put a fee down to hold a unit until they can run our credit Monday. If it gets approved we will be able to pick it up in a couple weeks. Hopefully before the country shuts back down. Apparently sales for campers and RVs are crazy and even getting them prepped for customers is falling behind.
I’ve never towed anything 5th wheel before. Should be an interesting ride. It’s 43’7”
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No issues pulling 5er. Will pull like a shadow. 110% better than TT
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No issues pulling 5er. Will pull like a shadow. 110% better than TT
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So I tow 5 days a week but it’s a pull behind 20’ enclosed trailer. It’s a Ram 4500 with a relatively-far-forward rear-axle. 160” from cab to center of rear axle. With a huge custom hitch and a long trailer tongue. That’s my daily work ride that I tally up roughly 1,000 miles a week. I’ve come to understand that setup really well and can maneuver it in to places that surprises most people, including the people I work with on a daily basis. My point is the articulation point is way far back and completely changes the dynamic of the way the trailer follows through turns. My worry is not that I can’t handle the 5er but that I may have a brain fart and treat it like my work trailer. Sometimes I leave work and take turns like I have a trailer behind me. Haha
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I have limited experience pulling a 5th wheel, however I found they towed easier and were easier to back up than a bumper pull trailer.
I really only pulled a 26’ flat bed and couple cattle trailer.
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Well, we were approved and have an appointment to pick it up the Saturday after Thanksgiving. Now hopefully the hitch gets here soon. Hopefully before this weekend.
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Awesome!
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Well, we were approved and have an appointment to pick it up the Saturday after Thanksgiving. Now hopefully the hitch gets here soon. Hopefully before this weekend.
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Cool! Congratulations!
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Well, we were approved and have an appointment to pick it up the Saturday after Thanksgiving. Now hopefully the hitch gets here soon. Hopefully before this weekend.
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Congrats. Now,, as mom & dad found out, the modifications begin..
- Yes even dad had to modify things.. last was a large solar panel install.
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that is one beast of a truck man.
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Well, we were approved and have an appointment to pick it up the Saturday after Thanksgiving. Now hopefully the hitch gets here soon. Hopefully before this weekend.
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Congrats. Now,, as mom & dad found out, the modifications begin..
- Yes even dad had to modify things.. last was a large solar panel install.
The one we are getting actually has a juice pack so it has a solar panel on the roof and a battery. But yeah, we are looking at everything now. More ways to spend money like I haven’t spent enough lately.
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Thanks guys. We are pretty excited about it. It’s kind of an entry level unit but it’s exactly what we were after. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201119/faedd8c66df692db6ebf53806c7b7f7f.jpg)
So funny story. The week before we looked at this one we went and looked at others. We looked at a smaller version of this one. Extremely similar, just a smaller garage. We did a build sheet on this model and they gave us a price $10,000 higher than the one we ended up getting and it would have had to be ordered. Minimum of 10 weeks for delivery. So the funny part, while standing inside the unit talking with the sales man, we hear an awful sound. The salesman says “uh oh. Well that’s not the first time that’s happened.” A couple was leaving with their brand new trailer and swiped the pole. Technically the camper wasn’t even 100% out of the lot. Hooked the awning and bent it to hell.
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Oh, and the hitch came today. Now I just have to trim some trees so I can make it down the road. So hopefully the neighbors don’t mind since they’re on their property.
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Oh, and the hitch came today. Now I just have to trim some trees so I can make it down the road. So hopefully the neighbors don’t mind since they’re on their property.
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Nice rig dude congrats! I give you 4 pulls tops before you swap out that king pin box to a Mooryrd!! Do you know what the pin weight is on that rig. Guessing 2650lbs
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Oh, and the hitch came today. Now I just have to trim some trees so I can make it down the road. So hopefully the neighbors don’t mind since they’re on their property.
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Nice rig dude congrats! I give you 4 pulls tops before you swap out that king pin box to a Mooryrd!! Do you know what the pin weight is on that rig. Guessing 2650lbs
2825 lbs
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Well, we were approved and have an appointment to pick it up the Saturday after Thanksgiving. Now hopefully the hitch gets here soon. Hopefully before this weekend.
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Congrats. Now,, as mom & dad found out, the modifications begin..
- Yes even dad had to modify things.. last was a large solar panel install.
The one we are getting actually has a juice pack so it has a solar panel on the roof and a battery. But yeah, we are looking at everything now. More ways to spend money like I haven’t spent enough lately.
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Mom & Dad had the factory one, and they upgraded it to the larger solar panel build.
Think of it as a Jeep, Just Empty Every Pocket... :funny:
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Wow, super cool rig! Can we get some garage and interior pics?
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Wow, super cool rig! Can we get some garage and interior pics?
Sure. I was going to hold out until I got it hooked up and home but I did grab some when we were looking at it. Gave me a reason to play with the ultra wide lense on the iPhone. Not sure where the picture of the bedroom got to. It’s my only real complaint as I could use a little more headroom at 6’e” tall.
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Man, that's nicer than some houses!
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That’s a pretty sweet unit!
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Thanks guys.
In the picture of the garage there is a door to the left. That’s the second bathroom. The walls open and fold flat against the wall for more room and I guess in case you like to awkwardly shit in the corner of a room. It’d be very airy with the garage door folded down in to the party deck. The garage was a main selling point. Some of the more expensive ones had a smaller garage that would work because the second bathroom didn’t cut in to the garage floor space but we weren’t looking to spend 80k either. This garage is 15’10”.
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Getting ready for next week. Had to trim the trees up along the road. When it rains they would hang low enough that I would have to drive around and a little in to the neighbors lawn with my old truck. I have them trimmed up to about 15 feet now. Also got the 5th wheel hitch installed. Pricey bastard they are... I still have to take it back off to grease the bushings on the pivot arms.
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Finally brought her home.
It was a pretty uneventful pull home until I almost ran over the street sign for our street. I didnt for what it’s worth.
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Man, that is one sweet looking rig! And the doggies appear to like it too. Too bad it's time to put it away for the winter.
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Pups love it. Opie (black one) was getting mad at me when I stopped letting him in when I was trying to do things.
As far as using it. We can’t boondocks because we dont have a generator but we can go anywhere that had a full hook up. Unfortunately camping season is over at most campsites but we can go south. Cassie has a handful of vacation she can use and I have 3 months off in the winter. We have family that’s always down to go riding in Tennessee so that may be an option. She has a place at Raystown Lake booked for April. A popular campground/amusement part booked for August and then October she has Shenandoah National Park booked.
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That really looks like a pretty awesome rig! Keep your eye out for a decent generator after the holidays. They always seem to pop up.
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Thanks guys.
Even if I find a generator at a good price, I do t know that I could afford it. After the holidays is when I get laid off and money gets tight. Not to mention I’ve been burning through money like a Canadian F150 owner. Haha
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If you read the shout box I mentioned I busted my ass. It was somewhat related to the camper. I was outside organizing and making room for the camper to come home and I tripped over the down spout. It happened so fast I was confused for a second. I laid there for a good two minutes groaning and hoping Cassie would pop out of the house for something but then I just got up and kept working. Just a little rattled. Most of the pain started Saturday afternoon. Although Saturday morning I was having trouble signing my name for the camper paperwork. I’m pretty good now I just can’t touch anything on my right side without it hurting. Anyhow, here’s the video for your amusement. I’ve watched it a bunch of times so don’t feel bad for laughing.
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Geez, you fell like a sack of bricks!
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We usually say "Pics or it didn't happen." Man, you went down like a ton of bricks! Are you "gravitationally advantaged" or something? You're damn lucky you didn't break anything. Have a couple of Advil on me.
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So it wasn’t just me. It felt like it happened fast and when I watched it back it looked like I went down fast. I was walking with purpose and my toes caught the end of the down spout and instead of knocking it off the elbow I actually pinned it in to the elbow and against the garage so there was no give. I had momentum so there was no stopping my direction. The boom. Like a sack of potatoes. You should watch it zoomed in. Good thing I had the brightest hoodie on that I own so you couldn’t miss me.
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If I went down that hard, an ambulance would be involved. :om:
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Haha. The only option was to get back up. There is never any other option. I do wish I had a little help though as I was pretty well stuck in that little spot until I recovered a bit. I was having trouble getting back up off of my arm and didn’t have anywhere to roll. Oh well.
I still chuckle when I watch it. I’m usually the first person to laugh when I get hurt.
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Holy shit that is a good looking rig and setup...looks like it is perfectly level too!
Great photos man....welcome to the world of RV'ing. Really proud for you all that is fantastic!!!
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Crap that was a hard hit, good thing you have wide shoulders to stop your head from hitting.
If you are going to continue this, you need to wear a hockey helmet at home.
- Just in case, you still have to wear it in the shower.
Glad you are OK, you might want to check with an ortho guy. I am thinking elbow or rotator cuff injury; that you are going to want to get in front of.
- Shoulder replacement, they reverse the ball and socket due to the hanging weight.
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Holy shit that is a good looking rig and setup...looks like it is perfectly level too!
Great photos man....welcome to the world of RV'ing. Really proud for you all that is fantastic!!!
Thanks man. Looks like the first trip will be in February to an off-road park in Tennessee for a week. Cassie has family with a toyhauler that we will be meeting up with.
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Crap that was a hard hit, good thing you have wide shoulders to stop your head from hitting.
If you are going to continue this, you need to wear a hockey helmet at home.
- Just in case, you still have to wear it in the shower.
Glad you are OK, you might want to check with an ortho guy. I am thinking elbow or rotator cuff injury; that you are going to want to get in front of.
- Shoulder replacement, they reverse the ball and socket due to the hanging weight.
Funny you mention a helmet because I was thinking as fast as that happened just how bad that could have gone. I pretty much fit snuggly between the garage and trailer and somehow didn’t hit either on the way down. Only lingering pain and soreness is in the hip/side of thigh area. Occasional sharp pain in my back but it’s not often and I have back pain more often than not so whatever. Getting better everyday.
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I finally got around to test fitting the toys in the camper. I am able to get the SxS and one of the four wheelers in there with some room to spare which was exactly what we were after.
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That’s pretty great. Would the quad to straight in?
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That’s pretty great. Would the quad to straight in?
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Unfortunately not. It’s roughly 7 feet long and the sxs is 10ish. Quad is only 48 or 49 inches wide so right around 4’.
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I hate you.
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I hate you.
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Haha hell of a drive by post.
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I hate you.
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Haha hell of a drive by post.
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LOL, just super proud for you guys and quite jelly too. Looks awesome. Bring that rig down to Texas. !!! Lets Glamp!!
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I hate you.
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Haha hell of a drive by post.
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LOL, just super proud for you guys and quite jelly too. Looks awesome. Bring that rig down to Texas. !!! Lets Glamp!!
You’re always at Jellystone. We looked at one in western PA. They’re not cheap (compared to others). You’re a baller. Haha. I’m sure well worth it from the pictures I saw. This one looked like a water park.
Cassie has already mentioned almost every state so far. Haha. She’s ready to go. I have a buddy at work who’s actually going down to the Dallas area on Saturday for a few weeks. I’d be a little jealous of him if it wasn’t a stupid situation. Haha
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I hate you.
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Haha hell of a drive by post.
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LOL, just super proud for you guys and quite jelly too. Looks awesome. Bring that rig down to Texas. !!! Lets Glamp!!
You’re always at Jellystone. We looked at one in western PA. They’re not cheap (compared to others). You’re a baller. Haha. I’m sure well worth it from the pictures I saw. This one looked like a water park.
Cassie has already mentioned almost every state so far. Haha. She’s ready to go. I have a buddy at work who’s actually going down to the Dallas area on Saturday for a few weeks. I’d be a little jealous of him if it wasn’t a stupid situation. Haha
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Jellystones will nicke and dime you to death. Its not our go to b.c of the cost. Sometimes the "Red Carpet" sites are 180 PER NIGHT. So dumb. Just glad we never pay that, we have some pull at our local JellyStone and they give us the reduced rate at 80 per night....and while it is over priced, we do get open wifi...so we can run all our TV;s and devices full out. Something we can't even do at our home. That said, we love local resorts...the best and most expensive around us is 45 per night. That is on par with most parks excluding CORP and State Parks which are usually between 14-25 per night. Some of ours have full hook ups with 50 amp service. That will be your struggle with your rig...finding full 50 amp hook ups reasonable per night. They are not cheap. But, it beats a hotel and your have YOUR shit.
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I hate you.
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Haha hell of a drive by post.
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LOL, just super proud for you guys and quite jelly too. Looks awesome. Bring that rig down to Texas. !!! Lets Glamp!!
You’re always at Jellystone. We looked at one in western PA. They’re not cheap (compared to others). You’re a baller. Haha. I’m sure well worth it from the pictures I saw. This one looked like a water park.
Cassie has already mentioned almost every state so far. Haha. She’s ready to go. I have a buddy at work who’s actually going down to the Dallas area on Saturday for a few weeks. I’d be a little jealous of him if it wasn’t a stupid situation. Haha
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Jellystones will nicke and dime you to death. Its not our go to b.c of the cost. Sometimes the "Red Carpet" sites are 180 PER NIGHT. So dumb. Just glad we never pay that, we have some pull at our local JellyStone and they give us the reduced rate at 80 per night....and while it is over priced, we do get open wifi...so we can run all our TV;s and devices full out. Something we can't even do at our home. That said, we love local resorts...the best and most expensive around us is 45 per night. That is on par with most parks excluding CORP and State Parks which are usually between 14-25 per night. Some of ours have full hook ups with 50 amp service. That will be your struggle with your rig...finding full 50 amp hook ups reasonable per night. They are not cheap. But, it beats a hotel and your have YOUR shit.
We wanted to stay at jellystone to take Cassie’s niece because she would enjoy everything they have to offer. It probably won’t happen for a lot of stupid reasons though.
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There’s a lot going on in the cab now. From left to right is obviously a GPS but it’s specific to RVs so we can program in our setup (height, weight, width, type of trailer,etc). Pennsylvania is very rural with a lot of windy roads and small bridges and low under passes. In fact there’s a covered bridge right down the street from my house that I shouldn’t be crossing with my truck but I fit and as long as I’m not hauling anything I am underweight, barely, even though that’s not how the rules work. The GPS also has a dash cam built in which I don’t care much about but figure it couldn’t hurt.
The middle device is the trailers tire pressure monitoring system. It came with the camper so I see no reason not to run it.
The right device is the back up camera. The camper came prewired for it with a bracket already installed. I just needed to get the camera and the screen. It was pretty clear that we needed a camera as soon as we got it home in the driveway and had to get it turned around and backed in. I may even get the side cameras for it just for piece of mind. It’s a lot of rig.
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There’s a lot going on in the cab now. From left to right is obviously a GPS but it’s specific to RVs so we can program in our setup (height, weight, width, type of trailer,etc). Pennsylvania is very rural with a lot of windy roads and small bridges and low under passes. In fact there’s a covered bridge right down the street from my house that I shouldn’t be crossing with my truck but I fit and as long as I’m not hauling anything I am underweight, barely, even though that’s not how the rules work. The GPS also has a dash cam built in which I don’t care much about but figure it couldn’t hurt.
The middle device is the trailers tire pressure monitoring system. It came with the camper so I see no reason not to run it.
The right device is the back up camera. The camper came prewired for it with a bracket already installed. I just needed to get the camera and the screen. It was pretty clear that we needed a camera as soon as we got it home in the driveway and had to get it turned around and backed in. I may even get the side cameras for it just for piece of mind. It’s a lot of rig.
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Gonna need a bigger dash ... :redneck:
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Any issues with the wireless cam? I have hesitated to buy mine.
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Any issues with the wireless cam? I have hesitated to buy mine.
I expected a little better quality picture. I haven’t taken it out for a ride yet so I can’t comment on anything more than just being parked. Mine is prewired and that is through the lights so you do need to have your lights on for the camera to be powered on. I found that out after I couldn’t get it to work and took it back off. I had the auto lights on so the lights didn’t come on. All I had to do was flip the parking lights on. The real test will be cruising at 70 miles an hour with the camera and screen being so far away from each other but I’ve read good reviews. My setup is 61’ or 62’ long. The 7 inch screen feels and looks massive on the dash. I may have opted for a 5 inch screen had I realized. They also have a 4.3” screen but that would be pretty small. I wanted the 7” in case I added the other cameras and had them all displayed at the same time. That way they wouldn’t look too small to see.
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I looked at the Ford Kit that comes with 4 TPMS sensors that you can add (2017+) also with camera but it does require wiring....so I dumped that idea.
The Furrion seems to work just fine or else they wouldn't be prewire all the campers these days. Good feedback, still not sure if we are keeping this rig or not.
After today, probably not a bad idea to keep it
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I looked at the Ford Kit that comes with 4 TPMS sensors that you can add (2017+) also with camera but it does require wiring....so I dumped that idea.
The Furrion seems to work just fine or else they wouldn't be prewire all the campers these days. Good feedback, still not sure if we are keeping this rig or not.
After today, probably not a bad idea to keep it
Or trade it for more ammo...
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I looked at the Ford Kit that comes with 4 TPMS sensors that you can add (2017+) also with camera but it does require wiring....so I dumped that idea.
The Furrion seems to work just fine or else they wouldn't be prewire all the campers these days. Good feedback, still not sure if we are keeping this rig or not.
After today, probably not a bad idea to keep it
Or trade it for more ammo...
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So I still hate these tires on my truck. I won’t be buying any this winter unless I suddenly come in to a few thousand dollars I don’t know what to do with. Not likely to happen. The truck has H load rated tires but I’m not sure how necessary that is. The truck has a 14,000lb gvwr. That’s not any different than f350/3500 duallies which don’t run H rated tires (I don’t think). We just got a new Chevy 4500 (new medium duty with the flip forward hood) at work which had a 16,000lb gvwr and it came with G load rated tires. They’re Goodyear rather than the Continental HSR (steering) tires that my truck has on it. The Goodyear is a much better looking tire. I have no idea if it’s any good in the snow or not but it can’t be any worse than the HSRs. If I could get it to even move an inch in even a coating of snow then it’d be downright dangerous on the road. There are more options in G rated tires than H rated tires. Lesser trucks get away with running lower rated tires and still meet the requirements for towing what I’m towing. Just trying to do my research a head of time. Most of the debate seems to be between Continental and Toyo tires but there are a lot of G rated tires out there.
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I would google this topic, it's out there.
I am reading that you can totally run E rated tires.
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I would google this topic, it's out there.
I am reading that you can totally run E rated tires.
I’ve read A LOT. Most info comes up for the camper tires either E or G. The camper isn’t an issue. I honestly don’t think the truck tires are an issue either. I think a G tire would be fine. If it’s good enough to come factory on a commercial 4500 with a 16k gross than I don’t see why it wouldn’t be good enough for a similar truck with a 14k gross. I think I am going to look at the load tables for different tires and go from there. The only thing I’ve gotten out of all the reading is that an H rated tire would require less psi than a G rated tire if hauling the same load. Which makes sense. G rated tires are also 14 ply cars 16 ply for the H.
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Ridge Grapplers have load E and F options. Seriously a good tire and I found them just as capable in winter as my KO2’s.
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Ridge Grapplers have load E and F options. Seriously a good tire and I found them just as capable in winter as my KO2’s.
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I had the ridge grapplers on my GMC 2500. I didn’t really have any complaints. I never had a tire I liked in the snow as much as my original BFG ATs but they were on a 96 Explorer 4.0. Far from the numbers any of my last trucks put down as far as power, size and weight. Cassie’s KO2s on her Outback are phenomenal.
I will have to look at them but I’m not sure about dropping two letter grades. Not even sure they will have them in a 19.5” wheel. Some guys upgrade to 20s just for the additional options but then I’m looking at another couple grand on top of the tires.
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Mike they make the Transforce AT2 in your size and they are only about $20 a tire than what I paid for mine at Pomp's.
https://www.prioritytire.com/firestone-transforce-at2-steer-225-70r19-5-125-123l-f-12-ply-at-a-t-all-terrain-tire/ (https://www.prioritytire.com/firestone-transforce-at2-steer-225-70r19-5-125-123l-f-12-ply-at-a-t-all-terrain-tire/)
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Mike they make the Transforce AT2 in your size and they are only about $20 a tire than what I paid for mine at Pomp's.
https://www.prioritytire.com/firestone-transforce-at2-steer-225-70r19-5-125-123l-f-12-ply-at-a-t-all-terrain-tire/ (https://www.prioritytire.com/firestone-transforce-at2-steer-225-70r19-5-125-123l-f-12-ply-at-a-t-all-terrain-tire/)
What’s your opinion on the load range being an F? To my knowledge these came stock with H rated tires. It SEEMS excessive but worried about the liability of going to a lesser rated tire.
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If your tires are rated for more than the GAWR of the truck, I’m not seeing how there could be any issue.
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If your tires are rated for more than the GAWR of the truck, I’m not seeing how there could be any issue.
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I’ve been doing a lot of reading on tires. I need to actually go look at my tires now
But I think they may indeed be G rated tires and not H as I originally thought. I could probably get away with F rated tires but I would have to run them at a higher psi which I guess I’d have to compare the load inflation tables. The other thing I’m finding is a lot of the tires that lean a little more towards ATs are only rated for 75mph. That’s fine if I’m towing the camper but I also use it as a daily driver and spend a lot of time on the turnpike where 75 mph is slow.
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The fun of a F450...
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The fun of a F450...
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I’m curious how the Goodyear tires run in the snow on our new 4500 at work. I wonder how my boss would feel if during the next snow storm I go joyriding in the brand new truck that hasn’t even been on a job site yet.
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Leaning towards eventually getting the Toyo M920. They retain the N speed rating of 87 mph and are supposed to be excellent in the snow. The tread design looks like a good snow tire. I only worry about overall tread life. It does have a deep tread though as well. A second set of wheels would be ideal. Might have to keep my eyes open for a winter wheel.
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Those are beefy
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I went around and checked the air pressure this morning in all of the tires. Duallys suck by the way. I assumed the dealership set me up right when they went through everything before I took ownership. Wrong. They were all over the place. Should be 90 in the front and 80 in the rear. Rear were 93, 82, 86 and 85. Front were 75 and 76. People make my head hurt.
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Yeah, I can’t say I’m surprised with the pressure being all over the map.
I pinged my brother with the F450 and he is actually running those Toyos. He says they are pretty good for the weight rating in the winter. He really doesn’t tow much this time of year though. He is only a couple hundred miles south of the Yukon Border, so sees a lot of winter roads (he’s a logger).
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Mike they make the Transforce AT2 in your size and they are only about $20 a tire than what I paid for mine at Pomp's.
[url]https://www.prioritytire.com/firestone-transforce-at2-steer-225-70r19-5-125-123l-f-12-ply-at-a-t-all-terrain-tire/[/url] ([url]https://www.prioritytire.com/firestone-transforce-at2-steer-225-70r19-5-125-123l-f-12-ply-at-a-t-all-terrain-tire/[/url])
What’s your opinion on the load range being an F? To my knowledge these came stock with H rated tires. It SEEMS excessive but worried about the liability of going to a lesser rated tire.
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Honestly I wouldn't worry about it unless you are constantly bumping up against the weight limit of the truck every time you hit the road and I am guessing you are close but not quite there with the truck and trailer. I would worry about it more if you were buying no name China Bomb Tires but that's not the case with what you are doing.
Even brand name tires have issues right off the shelf. This picture was taken shortly after we replace all eight drives on one of our Boom Trucks.
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Mike they make the Transforce AT2 in your size and they are only about $20 a tire than what I paid for mine at Pomp's.
[url]https://www.prioritytire.com/firestone-transforce-at2-steer-225-70r19-5-125-123l-f-12-ply-at-a-t-all-terrain-tire/[/url] ([url]https://www.prioritytire.com/firestone-transforce-at2-steer-225-70r19-5-125-123l-f-12-ply-at-a-t-all-terrain-tire/[/url])
What’s your opinion on the load range being an F? To my knowledge these came stock with H rated tires. It SEEMS excessive but worried about the liability of going to a lesser rated tire.
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Honestly I wouldn't worry about it unless you are constantly bumping up against the weight limit of the truck every time you hit the road and I am guessing you are close but not quite there with the truck and trailer. I would worry about it more if you were buying no name China Bomb Tires but that's not the case with what you are doing.
Even brand name tires have issues right off the shelf. This picture was taken shortly after we replace all eight drives on one of our Boom Trucks.
([url]http://www.thedetailerscafe.com/smf/gallery/3/43-250121114327.jpeg[/url])
Is that a sidewall bubble??
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Mike they make the Transforce AT2 in your size and they are only about $20 a tire than what I paid for mine at Pomp's.
[url]https://www.prioritytire.com/firestone-transforce-at2-steer-225-70r19-5-125-123l-f-12-ply-at-a-t-all-terrain-tire/[/url] ([url]https://www.prioritytire.com/firestone-transforce-at2-steer-225-70r19-5-125-123l-f-12-ply-at-a-t-all-terrain-tire/[/url])
What’s your opinion on the load range being an F? To my knowledge these came stock with H rated tires. It SEEMS excessive but worried about the liability of going to a lesser rated tire.
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Honestly I wouldn't worry about it unless you are constantly bumping up against the weight limit of the truck every time you hit the road and I am guessing you are close but not quite there with the truck and trailer. I would worry about it more if you were buying no name China Bomb Tires but that's not the case with what you are doing.
Even brand name tires have issues right off the shelf. This picture was taken shortly after we replace all eight drives on one of our Boom Trucks.
([url]http://www.thedetailerscafe.com/smf/gallery/3/43-250121114327.jpeg[/url])
Is that a sidewall bubble??
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Yup!And it had to be an inside tire too.
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Camper had a bit too much sway while we were walking around in it. Especially noticeable when you were in the bedroom and someone was walking around the camper. It was exaggerated when we set up camp at Cassie’s family’s house in Tennessee and their driveway was on a slope. The landing gear was extended really far and made it super wobbly. So today’s project was a set of JT Strongarms. It would have been smooth sailing if camping manufacturers didn’t build things half assed. I may take a video with and without them. There seems to be a noticeable improvement.
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JT's work great but we found a better combination. Wish I had scene this prior, could of saved you some money.
2 things you need.
X Chocks. and TheRock Stabilizers/. You really can't tell if someone is walking int he camper now or if they turn over in a bed
https://www.therockrvstabilizer.com/about (https://www.therockrvstabilizer.com/about)
I put steadyfasts on our camper b.c JT sold out to lipert or something like that....i liked the Steadfasts but the Rock's are 10X better.
JT's are great for that they do. Since you already have those on. Get the King Pin Stablizers and it will tighten up any last wiggle that you get but you still need the X Chocks to keep the tires from wiggling.
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JT's work great but we found a better combination. Wish I had scene this prior, could of saved you some money.
2 things you need.
X Chocks. and TheRock Stabilizers/. You really can't tell if someone is walking int he camper now or if they turn over in a bed
https://www.therockrvstabilizer.com/about (https://www.therockrvstabilizer.com/about)
I put steadyfasts on our camper b.c JT sold out to lipert or something like that....i liked the Steadfasts but the Rock's are 10X better.
JT's are great for that they do. Since you already have those on. Get the King Pin Stablizers and it will tighten up any last wiggle that you get but you still need the X Chocks to keep the tires from wiggling.
I have x chocks. I’m currently in the process of modifying them so they close tighter because my axles are pretty close together and the tires on these things are pretty freakin big. Haha. I burned up all of my Dremel cutting wheels so I had to order more. I think they just came actually. Probably get back after then tomorrow after I drop my truck off at the body shop. As they sit, I can only get the x chocks in to about the first tread block or two so they’re only seated on about half of the pads. They stock out beyond the tires. If the trailer is sitting on perfectly level ground, the x chocks can be forced in to the middle of the tires but how often is that the case?
I’ve also consider a king pin tripod. I hear mixed reviews but way more good than bad. I am also considering adding a non-powered scissor jack to the middle. My camper is pretty long. The rear electric stabilizers aren’t the best design. Their pivot points mount to close together at the center of the camper for my liking.
All in all the camper was stable enough at the campsite (still had room for improvement) but at her family’s house with the landing gear stretched out because of the downhill slope, it was pretty bad. Enough to make you sick and feel like the trailer landing gear was going to fold up under you. In that situation though I don’t think any tripod would be tall enough anyway. Tallest I’ve seen was 61”. I do think in most instances that will be good enough.
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Just spent way too much time modifying one of the x chocks. I was able to get it to close down over a quarter of an inch more. With a dead blow hammer I am now able to tap it in past the first tread block of the tire on the tighter side. Not that the axles are crooked but just the way it’s parked with the suspension articulating. I can get the opposite side in with an I modified chock.
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That's tight.......that's what she said.....
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That's tight.......that's what she said.....
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Too tight. I wish I could get it to close down a bit more. I might mess with it some more but it’s painstakingly slow and annoying. It’s trial and error. Cut and grind a bit then close it down and see where it’s hitting. Repeat that process a hundred times while occasionally test fitting between the tires. So I only did one but if I need to do the other one I think I have a better idea of how to get it closer right off the bat.
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I might have mentioned before that these f450 and 4500 trucks can ride like crap due to wheel balancing problems. So I finally broke down and bought Centramatics. They eliminate the need for wheel weights or beads. They’re essentially discs with a balancing media inside of the outer ring that is constantly distributing the balancing media to the correct location of the wheel. For $400 I’m hoping they work. Easy install. They just bolt on inside of the wheel. Remove wheel, slide disc on like a wheel and put the wheel over it. In the rear, it goes between the wheels. The downside, they’re noisy. Like a Maraca instrument. But if they work, it’s a small price to pay. The truck was unbearable at anything over 65-70, most of the time. Sometimes it was smooth as glass. It didn’t come from the front axle per say or cause any feedback to the steering wheel in the form of side to side shake. The whole truck just shook. I have to leave for work in a couple of hours so I will find out then when I hit the turnpike. Two more nights and I’m back to days!
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https://vimeo.com/551599226
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I have seen these before and I feel like we have had this topic come up here before, these look super interesting.
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BTW, as for noise...have you heard my bike? sounds like angry bees....
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I have seen these before and I feel like we have had this topic come up here before, these look super interesting.
I have for sure mentioned this before and possibly even showed their demonstration video of how they work and how crazy out of shape an unbalanced tire can look and get.
Here’s the video.
https://youtu.be/ullnFQD4F1I
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I hope they work. I’ve tried balancing beads in tires more than once and they are very inconsistent
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I hope they work. I’ve tried balancing beads in tires more than once and they are very inconsistent
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My understanding with the beads is that they come in a bag. The whole bag goes in the tire. Once it rips open the beads can still get stuck or clump up in the bag and now distribute properly.
When I first got on the turnpike they seemed really good. It was a very smooth ride. After a little time though the shake came back. Some of it is amplified by the fact that something in my passenger door is rattling. Some of it, I think, is the fact that I rotated the tires while I had them off. You can’t rotate front to back on a dually so you can only go side to side. I know how a slight wander almost like new tires have until you put a couple hundred miles on them. I wish I wouldn’t have rotated them at the same time as the install because I’m sure some of what I’m feeling was caused by the rotate. We will see. I didn’t notice anything really on my drive home but I’ve also been up for almost 24 hours at this point so my mind is over it.
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I haven’t done the beads in the bag, just put them in via the valve stem or poured them into the tire before mounting. I just always got inconsistent results with them.
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I do wonder if I did any damage to the tires from running the turnpike with the wheels being out of balance. If you look at their demo video you would think running like that at high speeds everyday could do damage that might not be easy to spot or visible to the naked eye.
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