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Title: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Too Stroked on October 28, 2019, 06:36:33 PM
Well boys and girls, the Taco turned 90,000 miles last week and I treated it to a quick detail. I'm experimenting with Optimum Gloss Coat and the truck again got a coat of it after polishing with Meguiar's M205 on a white LC pad with the Flex. (The last time I applied it was over a year ago.) What do you think?

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Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Blown F-150 on October 29, 2019, 09:18:59 AM
Looks really, really good. I have no idea how you keep it that nice in that area!


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Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Too Stroked on October 29, 2019, 06:17:33 PM
Looks really, really good. I have no idea how you keep it that nice in that area!


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Thanks! Truth be told, the underside doesn't look nearly as good.  :dunno:
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Kitzy on October 29, 2019, 08:19:41 PM
That's impressive!  The entire truck just pops. 

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Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Rollingrock on November 10, 2019, 09:02:25 PM
Nice work as usual Tom

So what are your thoughts on the Gloss Coat?   

Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Kitzy on November 11, 2019, 09:27:18 AM
Just to throw this out there.  Not sure if I mentioned it.  But Steve (Poorboys World) is working on a ceramic.  Hoping to be out in Spring as they are currently testing it.  So far it looks very promising. 



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Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Blown F-150 on November 11, 2019, 09:38:17 AM
I can't wait for someone to be the guinea pig!

Looks interesting
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Rollingrock on November 11, 2019, 10:47:28 AM
Just to throw this out there.  Not sure if I mentioned it.  But Steve (Poorboys World) is working on a ceramic.  Hoping to be out in Spring as they are currently testing it.  So far it looks very promising. 



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Coatings are all the rage right now....even Megs is releasing one post SEMA.    It would love to see with Steve comes up with.   
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: sscully on November 20, 2019, 10:29:48 AM
Just to throw this out there.  Not sure if I mentioned it.  But Steve (Poorboys World) is working on a ceramic.  Hoping to be out in Spring as they are currently testing it.  So far it looks very promising. 

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I have been waiting, it was to be in testing in the spring of 2019.

There was still some conjecture floating around PB in 2015 about signing releases to get ( non ceramic ) coatings and they are not for the experience level of who he sold to; as a reason for not having one.
- How many on here have done many coatings that far back ?

When they were still in NY Pockets tried a non ceramic on his wheels and was less than impressed.
- Something along the lines of coatings are just expensive wax - paraphrased

At least Steve was able to skip over the Opti Gloss Coat ( OptiCoat ) dev work and go straight to ceramic.  I don't know how easy that is to do, without the learning curve on the 1st generations of coatings.

I hope he gets something out in Q1CY20 to try.
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Rollingrock on November 20, 2019, 12:03:24 PM
Just to throw this out there.  Not sure if I mentioned it.  But Steve (Poorboys World) is working on a ceramic.  Hoping to be out in Spring as they are currently testing it.  So far it looks very promising. 

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I have been waiting, it was to be in testing in the spring of 2019.

There was still some conjecture floating around PB in 2015 about signing releases to get ( non ceramic ) coatings and they are not for the experience level of who he sold to; as a reason for not having one.
- How many on here have done many coatings that far back ?

When they were still in NY Pockets tried a non ceramic on his wheels and was less than impressed.
- Something along the lines of coatings are just expensive wax - paraphrased

At least Steve was able to skip over the Opti Gloss Coat ( OptiCoat ) dev work and go straight to ceramic.  I don't know how easy that is to do, without the learning curve on the 1st generations of coatings.

I hope he gets something out in Q1CY20 to try.

Some of us are just happy to read a Steve post and understand it.   LOL

(hashtag public school kid)

RR
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: sscully on November 22, 2019, 05:23:51 PM
Some of us are just happy to read a Steve post and understand it.   LOL

(hashtag public school kid)

RR

My posts never make sense because I went to public school. 
When I was in primary school the teachers went on strike which I think is why I am so messed up.  I never recovered from that stutter step.

 :funny:

Now try to image what it is like inside my head... :wow:
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Too Stroked on January 27, 2020, 07:00:31 AM
I'm experimenting with McKee's 37 SiO2 Coating. Heard some good things about it, so I snagged a kit to try on the Tacoma. What do you guys think? Personally, I'm liking it a lot.

(https://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e60/tfwarda/2014%20Toyota%20Tacoma/IMG_0480_zpsez7zkgah.jpg)

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Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Kitzy on January 27, 2020, 09:04:30 AM
Looks great.  Would look better on my truck.  Ok l drop it off later.  Just leave the keys in the Taco for me.

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Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Rollingrock on January 27, 2020, 12:06:51 PM
paint looks really sharp....can almost read the brand of lights.   

how does it feel once set up? 

Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Blown F-150 on January 27, 2020, 01:41:30 PM
Looks really nice a glossy. Looks like I've got some reading to do to prep for spring vehicle details. I haven't touched the X5 yet, as I figured I would let it ride for the winter.
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Too Stroked on January 27, 2020, 09:13:21 PM
how does it feel once set up?
As with most coatings, once it cures, it's slick as hell.  I actually did the coating in late November. Just forgot to post pics. Still feels great!
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Rollingrock on January 27, 2020, 11:26:40 PM
how does it feel once set up?
As with most coatings, once it cures, it's slick as hell.  I actually did the coating in late November. Just forgot to post pics. Still feels great!

Thanks Tom, did you ever use Opti-Coat?   If so, can you see/feel, look at the difference?   

Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Too Stroked on January 28, 2020, 06:34:26 AM
how does it feel once set up?
As with most coatings, once it cures, it's slick as hell.  I actually did the coating in late November. Just forgot to post pics. Still feels great!

Thanks Tom, did you ever use Opti-Coat?   If so, can you see/feel, look at the difference?

Yes, in fact Optimum Gloss Coat was on the truck for the previous year. I can't prove it, but I think the McKee's went on slightly thicker and had a higher gloss when cured.
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Blown F-150 on January 28, 2020, 12:25:24 PM
Good to know, I have gloss coat on the truck right now too. It's ability to "bead" has greatly diminished in under a year.
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Too Stroked on January 28, 2020, 04:40:48 PM
Good to know, I have gloss coat on the truck right now too. It's ability to "bead" has greatly diminished in under a year.
Agreed. I was a little disappointed too, so I tried the McKee's coating. I'd be very happy with a solid year out of any product. I may re-do it in the spring, but apply multiple coats at that time. Working with just a single coat right now.
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Kitzy on January 28, 2020, 05:34:01 PM
Poorboys has been teasing like crazy their new coating.  I just can't imagine any of these coatings being that much better than others.  But what do I know.

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Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: sscully on February 01, 2020, 08:50:53 PM
Yes, in fact Optimum Gloss Coat was on the truck for the previous year. I can't prove it, but I think the McKee's went on slightly thicker and had a higher gloss when cured.

When it came to flashing over, did you notice any difference in the 2 products ?

Did you use the same air gun method to speed up the flashing to see if a slight buff was needed in an area with streaks ?

When I had an area that streaked and would not flash over, that slight buffing always made me cringe: OK, here is an area that is going to be thin as all get out and cause problems down the road.

If the McKee's goes on thicker and does not have the streaking in the flash over phase, that is worth the price of the product right there.
- Aside from the difference in the coating types.
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Rollingrock on February 01, 2020, 09:27:04 PM
hmmm....I still have Opti Coat V2 on my, not sure it is the same thing as the gloss coat.

I am very interested in the PB product, only bc, I saw them test with an APC spray on it and it didn't affect it.  I was very impressed by that...only b.c when I get after the wheels and tires, I use APC like a mad man and the spray with our wind out here goes everywhere.   

It ruined the coating on my glasses....

Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Too Stroked on February 02, 2020, 07:16:45 AM
Yes, in fact Optimum Gloss Coat was on the truck for the previous year. I can't prove it, but I think the McKee's went on slightly thicker and had a higher gloss when cured.

When it came to flashing over, did you notice any difference in the 2 products ?

Did you use the same air gun method to speed up the flashing to see if a slight buff was needed in an area with streaks ?

When I had an area that streaked and would not flash over, that slight buffing always made me cringe: OK, here is an area that is going to be thin as all get out and cause problems down the road.

If the McKee's goes on thicker and does not have the streaking in the flash over phase, that is worth the price of the product right there.
- Aside from the difference in the coating types.
Didn't notice a ton of difference in flash off between the two products. I did not use an air gun to accelerate either of them.

I haven't had a problem with streaking or poor coverage with the Optimum products. I just wasn't truly excited by their durability.

My next big test - in two or three months - will be to polish the McKee's coating off, then re-apply it with 2 or 3 coats. I'm thinking that may be exactly what I'm looking for. The Toaster needs a good detail and coating too.
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: sscully on February 02, 2020, 01:10:57 PM
Yes, in fact Optimum Gloss Coat was on the truck for the previous year. I can't prove it, but I think the McKee's went on slightly thicker and had a higher gloss when cured.

When it came to flashing over, did you notice any difference in the 2 products ?

Did you use the same air gun method to speed up the flashing to see if a slight buff was needed in an area with streaks ?

When I had an area that streaked and would not flash over, that slight buffing always made me cringe: OK, here is an area that is going to be thin as all get out and cause problems down the road.

If the McKee's goes on thicker and does not have the streaking in the flash over phase, that is worth the price of the product right there.
- Aside from the difference in the coating types.
Didn't notice a ton of difference in flash off between the two products. I did not use an air gun to accelerate either of them.

I haven't had a problem with streaking or poor coverage with the Optimum products. I just wasn't truly excited by their durability.

My next big test - in two or three months - will be to polish the McKee's coating off, then re-apply it with 2 or 3 coats. I'm thinking that may be exactly what I'm looking for. The Toaster needs a good detail and coating too.

Did you follow the McKee's directions in the youtube product demo ?
- Wipe on with the applicator then wipe off excess.
https://youtu.be/GiqajSE-XzI

OptiCoat should only be wiped off in streaking cases if it does not flash over even.
- In this case, the wiping should be focused on the streak, not the panel being worked.
Opti Gloss Coat should be a thin coating that flashes over without a streak, so the panel is never touched after the applicator is used.
- I always have at least 2 small streaks on a vehicle, which means I am going at the streak with a Suede Microfiber Cloth to lightly buff it out.

I could never get the HVLP touch up spray gun method ( spray on, air gun flash off ) to work, I always had some part that would not flash over.  I must have wasted a 20cc tube trying to get this to work.  That HVLP touch up gun has been hanging unused on the rack for 5+ years now..

The McKee's looking like a WOWO Paint Coating that is a huge plus right there, no playing games with flash over looking for streaks in the panel like OPT.
The McKee's application process could save me a bunch of time over OPT gloss Coat.
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Too Stroked on February 03, 2020, 06:35:32 AM
Yes, in fact Optimum Gloss Coat was on the truck for the previous year. I can't prove it, but I think the McKee's went on slightly thicker and had a higher gloss when cured.

When it came to flashing over, did you notice any difference in the 2 products ?

Did you use the same air gun method to speed up the flashing to see if a slight buff was needed in an area with streaks ?

When I had an area that streaked and would not flash over, that slight buffing always made me cringe: OK, here is an area that is going to be thin as all get out and cause problems down the road.

If the McKee's goes on thicker and does not have the streaking in the flash over phase, that is worth the price of the product right there.
- Aside from the difference in the coating types.
Didn't notice a ton of difference in flash off between the two products. I did not use an air gun to accelerate either of them.

I haven't had a problem with streaking or poor coverage with the Optimum products. I just wasn't truly excited by their durability.

My next big test - in two or three months - will be to polish the McKee's coating off, then re-apply it with 2 or 3 coats. I'm thinking that may be exactly what I'm looking for. The Toaster needs a good detail and coating too.

Did you follow the McKee's directions in the youtube product demo ?
- Wipe on with the applicator then wipe off excess.


Yes sir. Followed them to the letter.
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: sscully on February 03, 2020, 04:50:06 PM
Yes, in fact Optimum Gloss Coat was on the truck for the previous year. I can't prove it, but I think the McKee's went on slightly thicker and had a higher gloss when cured.

When it came to flashing over, did you notice any difference in the 2 products ?

Did you use the same air gun method to speed up the flashing to see if a slight buff was needed in an area with streaks ?

When I had an area that streaked and would not flash over, that slight buffing always made me cringe: OK, here is an area that is going to be thin as all get out and cause problems down the road.

If the McKee's goes on thicker and does not have the streaking in the flash over phase, that is worth the price of the product right there.
- Aside from the difference in the coating types.
Didn't notice a ton of difference in flash off between the two products. I did not use an air gun to accelerate either of them.

I haven't had a problem with streaking or poor coverage with the Optimum products. I just wasn't truly excited by their durability.

My next big test - in two or three months - will be to polish the McKee's coating off, then re-apply it with 2 or 3 coats. I'm thinking that may be exactly what I'm looking for. The Toaster needs a good detail and coating too.

Did you follow the McKee's directions in the youtube product demo ?
- Wipe on with the applicator then wipe off excess.


Yes sir. Followed them to the letter.

I ordered some McKee's this AM, I should have it this week.
As soon as I have time to polish the front fenders and hood of the Nav, I can apply it to compare that and the 5 to 18 month old Opticoat / Opti Gloss Coat application on the remainder of the truck.  The front has been PL applications,  I have 2 more marks to remove before I was going to coat it.
- I still had some old OptiCoat that I finished using before moving on to the newer tube of Gloss Coat.

The roof and driver's side doors and rear quarter are OptiCoat, the tailgate and passenger side are Opt Gloss Coat ( passenger side doors are the newest at ~ 5 months old ).  So far this is holding up very well.
The new style tunnel wash cleaned up the top of the ORD parking deck mess I was left with, when I got in the truck this past Sat @ 5:00 am.
- Rain and jet film.. what a lovely mess that is.
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Too Stroked on February 07, 2020, 07:32:41 PM
Noticed another interesting difference between the McKee's 37 SiO2 coating and the Optimum coating I'd previously used. Last night and today we had about 5" of wet, sloppy (and freezing) snow. When I got out of work, I carefully brushed the truck off. Much to my surprise, the frozen mess came off in sheets. It was like it never even bonded to the paint. Neat!
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Blown F-150 on February 18, 2020, 11:44:09 PM
I have the Poor Boys Ceramic coating on order through a local shop. Probably won’t see it until. April.


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Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Kitzy on February 19, 2020, 09:23:57 AM
I have the Poor Boys Ceramic coating on order through a local shop. Probably won’t see it until. April.


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Looked like Jason is jumping on it too.  Looks like it's initially going to be a hit for Poorboys.  It will be interesting to see how it sells long term since their market has always been geared towards high quality but relatively inexpensive.  A lot of Poorboys users are big fans of his Natty's line and tons of layering.  This is a big step in a different direction and hopefully they can grab a piece of the pie they've otherwise been missing and ultimately must have been losing out on customers for their other products because of not offering one.

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Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Blown F-150 on February 19, 2020, 11:22:33 AM
Coatings have REALLY taken off, but I'm sure there is still a solid fan base for Waxes and Sealants. I'm just getting lazy these days and don't want to apply a LSP several times a season.
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Kitzy on February 19, 2020, 02:40:12 PM
Hopefully I can get around to it. It's almost pointless to wash my truck.  The road to my house being dirt and stone is either wet and muddy or dry and dusty.  It's really a no win.  But I still want to keep the truck protected. 

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Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Too Stroked on February 19, 2020, 03:16:20 PM
Coatings have REALLY taken off, but I'm sure there is still a solid fan base for Waxes and Sealants. I'm just getting lazy these days and don't want to apply a LSP several times a season.

I'm with you. As much as I love some waxes (like Collonite 845) and sealants (like Jescar / Menzerna  Power Lock), I just don't have the time to re-apply them as often as needed. I've been experimenting with Ceramic Coatings for about 5 years now and they've come a long, long way. Not only do they provide an incredible gloss, but they last a year or more. I can handle that!
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Kitzy on February 19, 2020, 08:18:38 PM
Coatings have REALLY taken off, but I'm sure there is still a solid fan base for Waxes and Sealants. I'm just getting lazy these days and don't want to apply a LSP several times a season.

I'm with you. As much as I love some waxes (like Collonite 845) and sealants (like Jescar / Menzerna  Power Lock), I just don't have the time to re-apply them as often as needed. I've been experimenting with Ceramic Coatings for about 5 years now and they've come a long, long way. Not only do they provide an incredible gloss, but they last a year or more. I can handle that!
You expect us to believe you don't have much free time anymore? Come on Mr Part-Time...

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Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Too Stroked on February 20, 2020, 06:48:05 AM
Coatings have REALLY taken off, but I'm sure there is still a solid fan base for Waxes and Sealants. I'm just getting lazy these days and don't want to apply a LSP several times a season.

I'm with you. As much as I love some waxes (like Collonite 845) and sealants (like Jescar / Menzerna  Power Lock), I just don't have the time to re-apply them as often as needed. I've been experimenting with Ceramic Coatings for about 5 years now and they've come a long, long way. Not only do they provide an incredible gloss, but they last a year or more. I can handle that!
You expect us to believe you don't have much free time anymore? Come on Mr Part-Time...

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Hey, last week I put in just over 30 hours! I'm exhausted.  :om:
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Kitzy on February 20, 2020, 06:05:51 PM
Coatings have REALLY taken off, but I'm sure there is still a solid fan base for Waxes and Sealants. I'm just getting lazy these days and don't want to apply a LSP several times a season.

I'm with you. As much as I love some waxes (like Collonite 845) and sealants (like Jescar / Menzerna  Power Lock), I just don't have the time to re-apply them as often as needed. I've been experimenting with Ceramic Coatings for about 5 years now and they've come a long, long way. Not only do they provide an incredible gloss, but they last a year or more. I can handle that!
You expect us to believe you don't have much free time anymore? Come on Mr Part-Time...

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Hey, last week I put in just over 30 hours! I'm exhausted.  :om:
Tripled my hours.  I'm doing 10 a week.  Except this week.  I did an extra half day today basically just hanging out with the boss, problem solving a job, in Hershey. 

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Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: sscully on February 22, 2020, 11:26:51 AM

Hey, last week I put in just over 30 hours! I'm exhausted.  :om:
Tripled my hours.  I'm doing 10 a week.  Except this week.  I did an extra half day today basically just hanging out with the boss, problem solving a job, in Hershey. 

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Where can I get one of these seasonal jobs and how well do they pay ?   :slow:

Finished 3 RFIs last week, presenting on them next week so off to the airport for me.
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Too Stroked on April 13, 2020, 05:28:48 PM
I'm experimenting with McKee's 37 SiO2 Coating. Heard some good things about it, so I snagged a kit to try on the Tacoma. What do you guys think? Personally, I'm liking it a lot.

(https://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e60/tfwarda/2014%20Toyota%20Tacoma/IMG_0480_zpsez7zkgah.jpg)

(https://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e60/tfwarda/2014%20Toyota%20Tacoma/IMG_0479_zpsoo5migfx.jpg)

Interesting update. When I first tried the McKee's 37 SiO2 coating on my Tacoma, I was quite impressed. I was mainly interested in finding a coating that lasted longer than ones I tried in the past and it exceeded my expectations there by lasting through a whole Rochester winter and almost daily (touchless) automatic car washes.

Well, a couple of weeks ago, I had time to give my son's 2013 Scion tC a pretty complete exterior detail. You may remember this car as I posted pics up of it here and it's got a pretty nice dark maroon / sort of metallic root beer colored paint job.  When I got through cleaning, decontaminating and polishing the paint, I decided to coat it with the McKees product since I was o happy with it. The temperature was right around 55 degrees, so it was marginal according to everything I read, but it seemed to go on reasonably well with just a little difficulty in the leveling / removal step. It also looked pretty decent, but it was getting dark and it was cloudy when I finished.

The next day, Brandon called me and said that although it was raining, the coating looked "a little weird." I dismissed it as just the rain, but had him bring the car back for a wash the next day to dig deeper. Sure enough the coating was what I can only describe as "splotchy." Ok, maybe I did something wrong, so I polished it all off and tried again on one quarter panel. This time it was more like 65 degrees and sunny, so I could really see what was going on. No matter what I tried, the coating refused to level out and come off evenly. Even after 5 minutes, it was still somewhat sticky. Hmmm. I punted and applied my trusty Menzerna / Jescar Power Lock which went on and came off beautifully - and looked killer.

I'm going to try to contact somebody at McKee's in the next few days, but we may have a problem here. I'm wondering if it's because of the "new formula" they claim to have out. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Kitzy on April 13, 2020, 06:05:45 PM
I'm experimenting with McKee's 37 SiO2 Coating. Heard some good things about it, so I snagged a kit to try on the Tacoma. What do you guys think? Personally, I'm liking it a lot.

(https://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e60/tfwarda/2014%20Toyota%20Tacoma/IMG_0480_zpsez7zkgah.jpg)

(https://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e60/tfwarda/2014%20Toyota%20Tacoma/IMG_0479_zpsoo5migfx.jpg)

Interesting update. When I first tried the McKee's 37 SiO2 coating on my Tacoma, I was quite impressed. I was mainly interested in finding a coating that lasted longer than ones I tried in the past and it exceeded my expectations there by lasting through a whole Rochester winter and almost daily (touchless) automatic car washes.

Well, a couple of weeks ago, I had time to give my son's 2013 Scion tC a pretty complete exterior detail. You may remember this car as I posted pics up of it here and it's got a pretty nice dark maroon / sort of metallic root beer colored paint job.  When I got through cleaning, decontaminating and polishing the paint, I decided to coat it with the McKees product since I was o happy with it. The temperature was right around 55 degrees, so it was marginal according to everything I read, but it seemed to go on reasonably well with just a little difficulty in the leveling / removal step. It also looked pretty decent, but it was getting dark and it was cloudy when I finished.

The next day, Brandon called me and said that although it was raining, the coating looked "a little weird." I dismissed it as just the rain, but had him bring the car back for a wash the next day to dig deeper. Sure enough the coating was what I can only describe as "splotchy." Ok, maybe I did something wrong, so I polished it all off and tried again on one quarter panel. This time it was more like 65 degrees and sunny, so I could really see what was going on. No matter what I tried, the coating refused to level out and come off evenly. Even after 5 minutes, it was still somewhat sticky. Hmmm. I punted and applied my trusty Menzerna / Jescar Power Lock which went on and came off beautifully - and looked killer.

I'm going to try to contact somebody at McKee's in the next few days, but we may have a problem here. I'm wondering if it's because of the "new formula" they claim to have out. Any thoughts?
So at the very end of the post you question whether it's the new formula.  Without knowing the product and how far a bottle goes, I'm assuming you aren't using the same bottle you used on the Tacoma? 

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Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Too Stroked on April 13, 2020, 08:13:04 PM
Good question. I originally bought one bottle, but based on my results with the Tacoma, bought 2 more since they were on sale. I have no idea if there's a difference between bottles. I may have to do some more experimentation to see if there's a difference between bottles. I can tell you that the pump sprayer was useless on the original bottle since the product cured in it. When I pulled the other bottles out to swap sprayers, I may have mixed the bottles up.
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: sscully on April 14, 2020, 01:58:41 PM
Tom,

I was holding my opinion on it since you liked it so much.

I have been doing defect removal around the Mrs' car; since it is sitting in the garage doing nothing.

I was running the heat in the garage when I test ran the hood & front fenders with SiO2 coating.
It was low humidity and ~ 70* and turned out well.  I let it sit for 5 days before doing more correction work as not to have dust blowing while it was curing.

After finishing the remainder of the car, I tried to apply the SiO2 coating to the remainder of the car.
- Garage was 67* and humidity was higher ( from not running the heat & rain that came through ).
I was applying it in this enviroment, as McKee's attempts the PB World application directions, but they fall short.

I had the same problems with the McKee's SiO2 product not leveling out and being sticky inside the garage never having been outside since I started on the front fenders.

I used the Surface prep to clean the McKees coating off the car to prep a polish section.
While I was waiting on this, I did a test panel with Opt Gloss Coat, and it had a little longer working time than normal, but worked as I expected being 68* by this time ( halogen lamps ). 

I did not care for the McKee's surface prep.  I only used it on one fender, the hood & other fender I used Griot's surface prep.

My bottle of SiO2 product was not open that long, so the eye dropper was fine.  I did feel like I used more McKees than OPT product.

In general, I am not that impressed with the McKee's coating in the application phase.  I do have an accidental test case, the front of the Mrs car is McKees and the back is going to be OPT.
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: sscully on May 09, 2020, 11:25:57 AM
So 3 weeks cure time sitting in the garage for both the front clip in McKees and the remainder in OPT GC.

Washed the car yesterday and found that the McKees is not as slick feeling as the OPT GC parts of the car.
It is obvious as the front fender is McKees and the doors and back are opt, so running the mitt over the 2 panels I can feel a difference in how the mitt glides.

I still do OPT with the apply, air gun to speed up the flash over and only touch it if there are high spots ( oil slicks ) that are not curing.

This is the mcKees in the bottle with the eye dropper.
- The pump sprayer comment made me question which McKees product is being used or if there is a difference.

(https://sep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-172506923-2_2625_161013426)

(https://sep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-172506923-2_2623_20781435)
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Too Stroked on May 09, 2020, 02:54:35 PM
So 3 weeks cure time sitting in the garage for both the front clip in McKees and the remainder in OPT GC.

Washed the car yesterday and found that the McKees is not as slick feeling as the OPT GC parts of the car.
It is obvious as the front fender is McKees and the doors and back are opt, so running the mitt over the 2 panels I can feel a difference in how the mitt glides.

I still do OPT with the apply, air gun to speed up the flash over and only touch it if there are high spots ( oil slicks ) that are not curing.

This is the mcKees in the bottle with the eye dropper.
- The pump sprayer comment made me question which McKees product is being used or if there is a difference.

(https://sep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-172506923-2_2625_161013426)

(https://sep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-172506923-2_2623_20781435)

The product that was shipped to me and I used was the pump spray version.
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Too Stroked on September 15, 2020, 06:36:31 PM
It's been waaaay too long since I've given the Tacoma any attention, so last week I got cracking on at least the exterior. Remember how I started this thread with some kind words about McKee's 37 Coating, then walked back my praise a bit later after running into some problems? Well, I had some product left and I really wanted to use it up as well as get something on the Tacoma (with 106,000 on the clock) before winter, so I went with the McKee's again. How did it work?

Well, the polishing step (3D One on a White LC CCS pad on the Flex) went well enough. then it was on to the coating. Just as before, the coating went on well, then the fun began. The big problem was the leveling after the product had flashed / hazed. No matter what I tried, the product seemed to want to grab the microfiber towel. If I was persistent enough (which I was) it eventually let go and wiped down to a very nice and highly glossy finish. I was even enough of a glutton for punishment that I applied a second coat an hour later. I'm all done with this stuff though. Here's a rather sexy shot I took a week later:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e60/tfwarda/IMG_1063_1_.JPG)
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Kitzy on September 15, 2020, 07:21:02 PM
Those wheels get me everytime.  They are just unnaturally clean.  I don't think I've gotten wheels that clean even brand new out of the box.  What the hell is this sorcery...

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Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Too Stroked on September 15, 2020, 07:30:11 PM
Those wheels get me everytime.  They are just unnaturally clean.  I don't think I've gotten wheels that clean even brand new out of the box.  What the hell is this sorcery...

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I'd love to say that they have some special finish, but they're just clear coated machined aluminum. I'd love to say I do something special to them, but they just have Menzerna Power Lock on them.  :dunno:
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Blown F-150 on September 15, 2020, 07:39:00 PM
Looks awesome Tom! Wow, I doubt there are many vehicles in that area that see winters and look like that.

I’m about to hit the truck with Poor Boys ceramic coating before winter comes. I’m curious on how it applies and lasts.


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Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: sscully on September 16, 2020, 03:00:54 PM
Tom,

Looks great.  For people here I am sure ti was  waaaay too long, but normal people it was overkill.
- Heck most people put wax on once ( maybe ) and then never think of it again.

Glad to hear you are out of McKee's 37 finally.  the problem I had with it I tossed it in the trash can and waited for Detailed Image shipment for more OptiGloss to finish the Mrs' MKZ earlier in the year.
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Too Stroked on September 16, 2020, 04:10:59 PM
Tom,

Looks great.  For people here I am sure ti was  waaaay too long, but normal people it was overkill.
- Heck most people put wax on once ( maybe ) and then never think of it again.

Glad to hear you are out of McKee's 37 finally.  the problem I had with it I tossed it in the trash can and waited for Detailed Image shipment for more OptiGloss to finish the Mrs' MKZ earlier in the year.

Steve,

Thanks for the kind words. I still have some McKee's left, but it's going to get used on the snow blower or something like that. I have a kit with CarPro CQuartz UK 3.0 sitting on my bench just waiting to get applied to something. I wonder what it will go on ...
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Too Stroked on October 25, 2020, 08:55:37 AM
Well, I officially gave up on the McKee's Ceramic Coating and tossed the remaining 2 bottles. I stripped the coating off using 3D One on an Orange Lake Country CCS pad on the Flex. It came off relatively easily. I then replaced it with CarPro CQuartz UK 3.0. Man, what a difference in ease of application and leveling! This was much more in line with other coatings I've tried and liked. I applied one coat yesterday and am planning on following up with second coat today - weather permitting. Teaser pic:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e60/tfwarda/IMG_1220_1_.JPG)
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: sscully on October 25, 2020, 05:10:28 PM
Very nice teaser pic.

Comparing  CarPro CQuartz UK 3.0 to OPT Optiguard, how would you rate it ?

I have been sold on OPT Optiguard ( coat ) for some time and I keep looking around but never have found something worth moving off it.
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Too Stroked on October 25, 2020, 07:40:53 PM
Very nice teaser pic.

Comparing  CarPro CQuartz UK 3.0 to OPT Optiguard, how would you rate it ?

I have been sold on OPT Optiguard ( coat ) for some time and I keep looking around but never have found something worth moving off it.
I used Opticoat a number of years ago and wasn't terribly impressed with it. I was impressed with the ease of use on the CarPro product. I'm very impressed with the shine. We'll have to wait and see on the ability to shed dirt and how long it lasts.
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: sscully on October 26, 2020, 11:09:12 AM
Be curious to see how it goes and what happens if you are not ( or are ) using reload .

I always had questions about a paint coating that needed a reload added to it every 3 to 12 months.
- Then again reload is being marketed as a stand alone sealant now.

I never had an issue with the use or shine on OPT products.  This is Optiguard on the Mrs MKZ earlier this year.
- Much easier application than the 37 I tried using on it...

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Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Rollingrock on October 28, 2020, 12:28:27 AM
Thats good feedback Tom, thanks for the info and share.

Like Steve, I have been using Opti Coat (orginal pro) and i guess V2?   

I do have a kit here from PoorBoys.  I was going to use that on Mallory's Civic after I get the PDR stuff done to it.   

I know Gip is using coatings like crazy and Justin is using some 3 and 5 year product.   Wowa.  The tech is passing me by....WTH.

RR.  YEs, I was here.   
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Too Stroked on October 29, 2020, 11:28:18 AM
Thats good feedback Tom, thanks for the info and share.

Like Steve, I have been using Opti Coat (orginal pro) and i guess V2?   

I do have a kit here from PoorBoys.  I was going to use that on Mallory's Civic after I get the PDR stuff done to it.   

I know Gip is using coatings like crazy and Justin is using some 3 and 5 year product.   Wowa.  The tech is passing me by....WTH.

RR.  YEs, I was here.   
Holy Crap Batman! He lives! Nice to hear from you JP!

Yes, coatings have come a long way in the last few years. Ease of use and longevity have made huge gains. I'd still say they're not for the weekend warrior yet though. To make them look right, you still need to do the surface prep / correction steps that most of us are used to. And there's still a few tricks to application and leveling. I was pleasantly surprised to see that CarPro was the first manufacturer that I've seen actually state that the microfiber you use to level the product will be a throw away. I really think the CQuartz UK is a lot better than the Optimum Glosscoat I had used previously.
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Kitzy on October 30, 2020, 05:21:41 PM
As much as I like the "teaser" shot, is it really a teaser if that's all you ever show us?

Looks pretty awesome, though.  Now show us more!

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Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Too Stroked on October 30, 2020, 06:59:02 PM
As much as I like the "teaser" shot, is it really a teaser if that's all you ever show us?

Looks pretty awesome, though.  Now show us more!

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Sorry, the truck's been sitting in the garage all week because it's been raining. I'll try to get some pics tomorrow - if the sun comes out.
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Kitzy on October 31, 2020, 05:53:59 AM
As much as I like the "teaser" shot, is it really a teaser if that's all you ever show us?

Looks pretty awesome, though.  Now show us more!

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Sorry, the truck's been sitting in the garage all week because it's been raining. I'll try to get some pics tomorrow - if the sun comes out.
You've been getting the same weather as us.  It would be really welcomed if it wasn't for the fact that I work outside and messes everything up for me. 

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Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Too Stroked on November 01, 2020, 08:53:03 AM
Ok, the best I could do was grab a few quick pics in a parking lot 175 miles from home. (The wife wanted to go sight seeing.) The biggest problem was that darn glowing orb in the sky. It was so bright that it was hard to find an angle where the reflections didn't blind the guy trying to take the pictures. These two came out pretty decent though:

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(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e60/tfwarda/IMG_1236_1_.JPG)

I did notice an interesting new problem on the trip south-east early in the morning though. The hood scoop is now so shiny that it reflects back into my eyes with stunning efficiency. I never had that problem before.
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Kitzy on November 01, 2020, 03:05:14 PM
Ok, the best I could do was grab a few quick pics in a parking lot 175 miles from home. (The wife wanted to go sight seeing.) The biggest problem was that darn glowing orb in the sky. It was so bright that it was hard to find an angle where the reflections didn't blind the guy trying to take the pictures. These two came out pretty decent though:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e60/tfwarda/IMG_1237_1_.JPG)

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e60/tfwarda/IMG_1236_1_.JPG)

I did notice an interesting new problem on the trip south-east early in the morning though. The hood scoop is now so shiny that it reflects back into my eyes with stunning efficiency. I never had that problem before.
Where did you find clear skies?  I haven't seen the sun in about a week it seems. 

I actually think a clean, detailed hood has a more tolerable reflection of the same n than a dirty, trashed on hood.  Our work trucks are unbearable when driving in to New Jersey in the more during sunrise.  They seldom get washed and never get detailed.  Actually I'm getting a new Chevy 4500 Medium duty truck in a month or so.  Just gotta go down to Georgia to get it.

Anyway, the taco looks amazing!  Where did the sight seeing take you?

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Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Too Stroked on November 01, 2020, 07:02:40 PM
We were on a home scouting mission for some family members. We hit Waverly, Elmira, and Corning, New York. All right along the New York / Pennsylvania state line. Nice day for a drive, unlike today when my son and I drove to Syracuse and back in the rain for some father and son go cart racing. (Dad won BTW.)
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Too Stroked on March 13, 2021, 08:57:17 PM
Well boys and girls, my 2014 Tacoma is heading down the road to a new home. It was going on 7 years old and had 115,000 miles on it, but was still in beautiful shape. So I decided to sell it while it was still worth good money. To give you an idea how good the resale value on used Tacomas really is, I got almost exactly half of what I paid for it 7 years ago.

So what vehicle did I buy to replace it? Here's a picture of it sitting in my bay at work. I actually got to do the final new vehicle prep on it.

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e60/tfwarda/IMG_1720%5B1%5D.JPG)
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Kitzy on March 14, 2021, 07:10:27 AM
Well boys and girls, my 2014 Tacoma is heading down the road to a new home. It was going on 7 years old and had 115,000 miles on it, but was still in beautiful shape. So I decided to sell it while it was still worth good money. To give you an idea how good the resale value on used Tacomas really is, I got almost exactly half of what I paid for it 7 years ago.

So what vehicle did I buy to replace it? Here's a picture of it sitting in my bay at work. I actually got to do the final new vehicle prep on it.

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e60/tfwarda/IMG_1720%5B1%5D.JPG)
Man that thing looks good!  Congrats!  So did they pay you to prep your own vehicle? 


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Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Too Stroked on March 14, 2021, 07:31:36 AM
Well boys and girls, my 2014 Tacoma is heading down the road to a new home. It was going on 7 years old and had 115,000 miles on it, but was still in beautiful shape. So I decided to sell it while it was still worth good money. To give you an idea how good the resale value on used Tacomas really is, I got almost exactly half of what I paid for it 7 years ago.

So what vehicle did I buy to replace it? Here's a picture of it sitting in my bay at work. I actually got to do the final new vehicle prep on it.

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e60/tfwarda/IMG_1720%5B1%5D.JPG)
Man that thing looks good!  Congrats!  So did they pay you to prep your own vehicle? 

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Yea, they actually did. I tried not to get too silly with it though, but I did take a good deal of ribbing from my friends in Service. I did wait until lunch to throw a quick coat of Menzerna Power Lock on it. It's too cold to ceramic coat it yet, so that should hold it until I do.
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Blown F-150 on March 14, 2021, 09:10:16 AM
Very nice! My step sister has a 2016 TRD and she really likes it. 


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Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: sscully on March 14, 2021, 09:28:59 AM
Nice change up.  Doing your own new vehicle prep, you know they did not use the sponge that they have had since the Reagan administration and dropped it on the floor weekly.
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Kitzy on March 14, 2021, 10:19:31 AM
Now most important question, does Herbie approve?


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Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Too Stroked on March 14, 2021, 12:09:51 PM
Now most important question, does Herbie approve?


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Yes, 100%. He officially laid claim to the back seat the day I brought it home.
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Blown F-150 on March 14, 2021, 12:54:48 PM
You’re gonna need one of these, lol.

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Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Too Stroked on March 15, 2021, 05:53:53 PM
You’re gonna need one of these, lol.

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Funny you should mention that. I actually got a Cover Craft back seat cover through the dealership. It's an official 4Runner accessory. I'm sure adding the "4Runner" stitching on it added a hundred bucks to the price.
Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Blown F-150 on March 15, 2021, 08:07:25 PM
Ha! I figured you would.


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Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: Kitzy on March 16, 2021, 11:29:50 AM
You’re gonna need one of these, lol.

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Funny you should mention that. I actually got a Cover Craft back seat cover through the dealership. It's an official 4Runner accessory. I'm sure adding the "4Runner" stitching on it added a hundred bucks to the price.
Fancy!  Haha.  Reminds me of someone else around here who we won’t mention by name but would probably buy used diapers if they had a Yeti logo on them. 








You think that’ll bring him in out of his hole?  Haha


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Title: Re: 2014 Toyota Tacoma
Post by: sscully on March 17, 2021, 02:19:07 PM
Fancy!  Haha.  Reminds me of someone else around here who we won’t mention by name but would probably buy used diapers if they had a Yeti logo on them. 

Shots fired Shots Fired !!!

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