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Title: New Work bench area
Post by: Rollingrock on January 04, 2019, 11:39:02 AM
I have been debating getting another tool box as my current one is overflowing and unorganized.  Over Christmas I decided on this set up.  I also found an ammo can from my wife's parents house that contained some old craftsmen tools and they were covered in rust and dirt.  I spent several days bringing them back to life and also found a very old fence tool that I wanted to leave as is.  In addition to that.  I got all my sockets loaded out and out of canvas bags that I had put away.  So now I have things there i can get to them better.  Still working on what goes where but getting close. 

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Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: Too Stroked on January 04, 2019, 12:09:17 PM
I suppose that now you want us to come over and teach you how to use those tools?  :funny:
Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: Rollingrock on January 04, 2019, 12:18:24 PM
I suppose that now you want us to come over and teach you how to use those tools?  :funny:

Many of my tools get used almost every day.  Ranching ain't easy.   Santa brought my 10 year old his first tool box loaded with the essentials. 

Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: Kitzy on January 04, 2019, 02:03:20 PM
Um, isn't that the tool box you meant to send me for Christmas?  I think we talked about this on the phone.

Kidding of course.  I'm a little jealous.  Since I dont really need the tool box bottom, I mainly want a rolling option for the top to try it off of the work bench, I'm just going to frame a stand out of wood and put it on casters for now.  Going to design it to roll over too of the riding lowers me thinks. 

What's in the upper left of the power tools drawer?  Light? 

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Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: Blown F-150 on January 04, 2019, 03:06:28 PM
Looks good, too bad there couldn't be a little Crown in that Coke :redneck:
Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: Rollingrock on January 04, 2019, 03:55:39 PM
Um, isn't that the tool box you meant to send me for Christmas?  I think we talked about this on the phone.

Kidding of course.  I'm a little jealous.  Since I dont really need the tool box bottom, I mainly want a rolling option for the top to try it off of the work bench, I'm just going to frame a stand out of wood and put it on casters for now.  Going to design it to roll over too of the riding lowers me thinks. 

What's in the upper left of the power tools drawer?  Light? 

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LOL...I was going to buy 2 of these or one larger one as a main work bench...but decided to get the Gladiator bench and slide this under it...if I need more space, just roll out the tool chest.   My 5.5 foot double stack box was busting at the seams so I wanted to get this completed...the work bench that was here before was 8 ft long and just took up too much space, plus I gotta start thinking 3rd car in the garage soon.   

Yes that is the older Dewalt 18v flex light, I am going to convert it to LED now that I have those battery adapters.   I will snap a photo of the two tool boxes so you get an idea what i am working with.   Garage is a mess but we did free up a lot of space. 

Looks good, too bad there couldn't be a little Crown in that Coke :redneck:

There is a lot of Crown in that diet coke.    :yoda:
Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: GreyMichFX4 on January 04, 2019, 04:33:58 PM
Looks good, too bad there couldn't be a little Crown in that Coke :redneck:

Should be Hyperdressing or at least it used to be. :redneck:
Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: Rollingrock on January 04, 2019, 05:39:58 PM
Looks good, too bad there couldn't be a little Crown in that Coke :redneck:

Should be Hyperdressing or at least it used to be. :redneck:
. LOL....good memory, there is always a splash of HD.   
Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: Blown F-150 on January 04, 2019, 10:18:17 PM
Um, isn't that the tool box you meant to send me for Christmas?  I think we talked about this on the phone.

Kidding of course.  I'm a little jealous.  Since I dont really need the tool box bottom, I mainly want a rolling option for the top to try it off of the work bench, I'm just going to frame a stand out of wood and put it on casters for now.  Going to design it to roll over too of the riding lowers me thinks. 

What's in the upper left of the power tools drawer?  Light? 

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LOL...I was going to buy 2 of these or one larger one as a main work bench...but decided to get the Gladiator bench and slide this under it...if I need more space, just roll out the tool chest.   My 5.5 foot double stack box was busting at the seams so I wanted to get this completed...the work bench that was here before was 8 ft long and just took up too much space, plus I gotta start thinking 3rd car in the garage soon.   

Yes that is the older Dewalt 18v flex light, I am going to convert it to LED now that I have those battery adapters.   I will snap a photo of the two tool boxes so you get an idea what i am working with.   Garage is a mess but we did free up a lot of space. 

Looks good, too bad there couldn't be a little Crown in that Coke :redneck:

There is a lot of Crown in that diet coke.    :yoda:

I hope you’re not on Anti-Biotics!


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Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: Rollingrock on January 05, 2019, 12:42:32 AM
Um, isn't that the tool box you meant to send me for Christmas?  I think we talked about this on the phone.

Kidding of course.  I'm a little jealous.  Since I dont really need the tool box bottom, I mainly want a rolling option for the top to try it off of the work bench, I'm just going to frame a stand out of wood and put it on casters for now.  Going to design it to roll over too of the riding lowers me thinks. 

What's in the upper left of the power tools drawer?  Light? 

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LOL...I was going to buy 2 of these or one larger one as a main work bench...but decided to get the Gladiator bench and slide this under it...if I need more space, just roll out the tool chest.   My 5.5 foot double stack box was busting at the seams so I wanted to get this completed...the work bench that was here before was 8 ft long and just took up too much space, plus I gotta start thinking 3rd car in the garage soon.   

Yes that is the older Dewalt 18v flex light, I am going to convert it to LED now that I have those battery adapters.   I will snap a photo of the two tool boxes so you get an idea what i am working with.   Garage is a mess but we did free up a lot of space. 

Looks good, too bad there couldn't be a little Crown in that Coke :redneck:

There is a lot of Crown in that diet coke.    :yoda:

I hope you’re not on Anti-Biotics!


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At the time of this photo, i was not....but I am now on a cycle of Omnicef.   I was taking the last cycle of my Mexican Amoxicillin but that was just holding it off until I got some real stuff in the blood.   We are back in Mexico in June, I will be picking up several cycles of Antibiotics.   :) 
Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: Rollingrock on January 05, 2019, 12:46:32 AM
This is my 5.5ft double stack tool box.  It is a 15 year old Costco stainless...I think I paid 600 for it back in day.  It's only 20 inch deep.  Works great, just over full. Totally needed more storage.  Still moving some to the new box, got 3 out of my 5 detail machines in the new one.   I till try to make room for the Makita and Dewalt but they are in bags up in the attic.    (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190105/b8d2f6a22d1bc4da5d7dd1411abb2aa9.jpg)

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Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: Rollingrock on January 05, 2019, 12:52:25 AM
My two heaters.  The buddy heater is great for the blind....the Master is a 60k BTU I picked up this week.   Took the garage up 10 degrees in 7 min.  I highly recommend.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190105/a2277850619c44943d7b1dfadd57e628.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190105/0c786c144ecb62e17bd347639cad8972.jpg)

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Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: Rollingrock on January 05, 2019, 12:54:23 AM
After we get the new water well in, this summer I will be getting the floors done.  I am so tired of this shit.   
Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: Kitzy on January 05, 2019, 07:21:42 PM
What is the square footage of your garage and how high are the ceilings?

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Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: Rollingrock on January 05, 2019, 07:41:01 PM
What is the square footage of your garage and how high are the ceilings?

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I dont know actually.  I think we are 10 ft maybe 12 ft.  Its an odd 3 car oversized.  Our GC was here today and we are talking about additional garage in 2 years. 

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Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: Kitzy on January 05, 2019, 08:07:21 PM
What is the square footage of your garage and how high are the ceilings?

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I dont know actually.  I think we are 10 ft maybe 12 ft.  Its an odd 3 car oversized.  Our GC was here today and we are talking about additional garage in 2 years. 

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I have a small torpedo heater like the one you have.  It helps but it's colder here than where you are.  It's just a pole barn so no insulation, very high ceiling, and it's about 1100 square feet. 

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Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: Too Stroked on January 06, 2019, 07:16:35 AM
What is the square footage of your garage and how high are the ceilings?

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I dont know actually.  I think we are 10 ft maybe 12 ft.  Its an odd 3 car oversized.  Our GC was here today and we are talking about additional garage in 2 years. 

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I have a small torpedo heater like the one you have.  It helps but it's colder here than where you are.  It's just a pole barn so no insulation, very high ceiling, and it's about 1100 square feet. 

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I have pretty much the same problem as you - except my 2 car garage isn't nearly as tall as your pole barn. But with the roof venting, any heat one tries to pump out at floor level pretty much goes straight up through the roof. Man would I kill for a heated garage!
Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: sscully on January 06, 2019, 10:04:20 AM
I have pretty much the same problem as you - except my 2 car garage isn't nearly as tall as you pole barn. But with the roof venting, any heat one tries to pump out at floor level pretty much goes straight up through the roof. Man would I kill for a heated garage!

My sister had the same garage as you but attached to the house. ( it was a 2 car + ).
In 2009 I went up there and insulated the walls and ceiling and plywood sheeted the whole thing.

We added a 220V heater, like I have in my garage, and now she can heat her garage in Sheboygan WI to 65 in no time flat.

Electric was ~ 1.5 days.  New 3/4" pipe run from panel in basement to garage for heater, new outlet circuits and more lighting ( 1 220 V 20A circuit & 4 20 A circuits ).
Insulation & sheeting and remounting the old kitchen cabinets & shelves back over the plywood was ~ 1.5 days. 
We used plywood so she did not have to play the find a stud in drywall if she wanted to hang up a shovel or another shelf.

She caulked the corners, primed & painted the walls & ceiling white.

It was not bad, we thought about just doing the ceiling, but that is where the heater came into play which added doing the walls.
Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: Kitzy on January 06, 2019, 10:13:28 AM
The cost of heating the garage isn't worth it to me.  The little torpedo heater does enough for the little bit of work I do in the garage in the winter.  If I was detailing more it'd be another story but then I have to have an entire road just to be able to get to the main road and still be clean.

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Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: Too Stroked on January 06, 2019, 11:06:35 AM
The cost of heating the garage isn't worth it to me.  The little torpedo heater does enough for the little bit of work I do in the garage in the winter.  If I was detailing more it'd be another story but then I have to have an entire road just to be able to get to the main road and still be clean.

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If you don't mind me asking, what powers your heater? I've seen those using propane and kerosene.
Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: Kitzy on January 06, 2019, 11:26:17 AM


The cost of heating the garage isn't worth it to me.  The little torpedo heater does enough for the little bit of work I do in the garage in the winter.  If I was detailing more it'd be another story but then I have to have an entire road just to be able to get to the main road and still be clean.

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If you don't mind me asking, what powers your heater? I've seen those using propane and kerosene.

Kerosene.  My dad just offered me some overhead propane infrared heaters out of their old shop at work but I dont think I want them.  The garage just requires too much work and money to get it ready to really retain the heat. 

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Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: Rollingrock on January 06, 2019, 11:46:01 AM
What is the square footage of your garage and how high are the ceilings?

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According to my appraisal docs, it shows the garage at 903.49 sq ft.   

24.5 × 23.3 = 569.7
12.5 × 26.4 = 330.9
11.5 × 0.2 = 2.8

Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: Kitzy on January 06, 2019, 01:33:07 PM
What is the square footage of your garage and how high are the ceilings?

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According to my appraisal docs, it shows the garage at 903.49 sq ft.   

24.5 × 23.3 = 569.7
12.5 × 26.4 = 330.9
11.5 × 0.2 = 2.8
So roughly the size of your guest bedroom's walk in closet.  Got it.  Sorry.  I can't resist.

Do the temps usually sit around the same temps as outside.  I imagine it's a bit warmer than outside to begin with. 

I have a wood brining stove just sitting in the garage.  Need all the expensive piping to install it but I dont want to do it and find it's still not really enough.  It's also taking up space that I could be using.  It's tough so as it is to get the truck, Cassie's Outback, both four wheelers, the SxS, two riding mowers and the push mower in there.  Among the other odds and ends... Cabinets and shelves and the refrigerator. 

Actually everything in the refrigerator tends to freeze in the winter.



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Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: Rollingrock on January 06, 2019, 04:41:10 PM
What is the square footage of your garage and how high are the ceilings?

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According to my appraisal docs, it shows the garage at 903.49 sq ft.   

24.5 × 23.3 = 569.7
12.5 × 26.4 = 330.9
11.5 × 0.2 = 2.8
So roughly the size of your guest bedroom's walk in closet.  Got it.  Sorry.  I can't resist.

Do the temps usually sit around the same temps as outside.  I imagine it's a bit warmer than outside to begin with. 

I have a wood brining stove just sitting in the garage.  Need all the expensive piping to install it but I dont want to do it and find it's still not really enough.  It's also taking up space that I could be using.  It's tough so as it is to get the truck, Cassie's Outback, both four wheelers, the SxS, two riding mowers and the push mower in there.  Among the other odds and ends... Cabinets and shelves and the refrigerator. 

Actually everything in the refrigerator tends to freeze in the winter.



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Since this is attached to the house it does tend to be different than my prior house with out detached garage.  Plus our garage doors have insulation built in them, but I know it is a lower R number.   When it was 25 outside this prior week, it was 54 in in the garage and I got it up to temp pretty quickly with that forced air heater.   My buddy's 60X60 barn has a potbelly wood heater in it, it damn near heats the entire barn. 
Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: sscully on January 06, 2019, 05:40:45 PM
Kerosene.  My dad just offered me some overhead propane infrared heaters out of their old shop at work but I dont think I want them.  The garage just requires too much work and money to get it ready to really retain the heat. 

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I thought the infrared heaters heated objects not air ??
- It would heat the vehicles, tool boxes, etc..
Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: Kitzy on January 06, 2019, 06:43:59 PM
Kerosene.  My dad just offered me some overhead propane infrared heaters out of their old shop at work but I dont think I want them.  The garage just requires too much work and money to get it ready to really retain the heat. 

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I thought the infrared heaters heated objects not air ??
- It would heat the vehicles, tool boxes, etc..
I never heard that before.  You could be right.  One way or another it's going to heat the garage though.  I have seen other shops like your typical brake and oil change shops use similar setups.  I wouldn't mind the tool box being heated though.  Cold tools suck.

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Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: sscully on January 06, 2019, 11:28:24 PM
Kerosene.  My dad just offered me some overhead propane infrared heaters out of their old shop at work but I dont think I want them.  The garage just requires too much work and money to get it ready to really retain the heat. 

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I thought the infrared heaters heated objects not air ??
- It would heat the vehicles, tool boxes, etc..
I never heard that before.  You could be right.  One way or another it's going to heat the garage though.  I have seen other shops like your typical brake and oil change shops use similar setups.  I wouldn't mind the tool box being heated though.  Cold tools suck.

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The brake and oil change shops or body shops use infrared as they are opening doors and changing vehicles and they cannot have the loss that would happen with forced air. 
Bringing in that cold vehicle is quicker recovery inside as the floor and objects did not give up all the heat from opening the door and the IR heater is working on the cold vehicle directly not trying to blow warm air at it.  The floor under it being warm also helps ( along with the metal lifts ).
- Body shops also use infrared to have no dust blowing around from a forced air furnace.

My forced air electric heater when I open the door, whoosh heat all gone and start over. 
The floor never really gets warmer and to get operational temperature to do correction I am heating from the ceiling down so it takes time.  Something I would never try with a 20* car.
- Mom's convertible a few years back was in there for a few days and never left until done.

If you have the option still, you should pick up that IR heater and tarp it in the back of the shop for now.

You can get away with the pole barn insulated panels on the ceiling, you don't need to sheet the whole thing. 
Check what you need between the IR heater and the insulation panels ( the black paper fire rated drywall fire taped ? ). 
Walls you can insulate and vapor barrier and just sheet where you want to, and you would all set.

You might not be doing weekly details in the shop, but you will call and thank dad profusely if you ever have to work on the car / truck or the tractor needs something while doing snow removal in the middle of the winter.
Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: Rollingrock on January 07, 2019, 12:02:28 AM
Steve,

You got a photo of your heaters?   I was looking at some IR heaters for our balcony.   
Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: Blown F-150 on January 07, 2019, 12:56:23 AM
I sure do love having our garage heated. Like Steve says though, open the door and it's all gone, lol. But, I did find that it still recovers pretty quick. For just regular day-to-day, I keep the T-Stat @ 45*. Pretty easy to bring it up to 65* when I'm working in there.
Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: sscully on January 07, 2019, 03:01:17 PM
Steve,

You got a photo of your heaters?   I was looking at some IR heaters for our balcony.

I have a forced air unit.  Not as nice as the Reznor unit  :wow:
Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: Blown F-150 on January 07, 2019, 11:03:50 PM
Steve,

You got a photo of your heaters?   I was looking at some IR heaters for our balcony.

I have a forced air unit.  Not as nice as the Reznor unit  :wow:

I think the Natural Gas really drops the cost of operation. It only cost $75 bucks last month to keep the Garage pretty warm throughout below freezing weather while I was working on the truck.
Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: sscully on January 08, 2019, 04:57:08 PM
Steve,

You got a photo of your heaters?   I was looking at some IR heaters for our balcony.

I have a forced air unit.  Not as nice as the Reznor unit  :wow:

I think the Natural Gas really drops the cost of operation. It only cost $75 bucks last month to keep the Garage pretty warm throughout below freezing weather while I was working on the truck.

No doubt, but I am not allowed ventless or 83% eff Nat Gas heaters in the garage in my village.
The burn chamber needs to sealed & pull outside air, so it has to be 90% eff to be code here. 

Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: Rollingrock on January 20, 2019, 03:57:46 PM
Steve,

You got a photo of your heaters?   I was looking at some IR heaters for our balcony.

I have a forced air unit.  Not as nice as the Reznor unit  :wow:

I think the Natural Gas really drops the cost of operation. It only cost $75 bucks last month to keep the Garage pretty warm throughout below freezing weather while I was working on the truck.

No doubt, but I am not allowed ventless or 83% eff Nat Gas heaters in the garage in my village.
The burn chamber needs to sealed & pull outside air, so it has to be 90% eff to be code here.
Village?

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Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: Kitzy on January 20, 2019, 06:29:57 PM
Steve,

You got a photo of your heaters?   I was looking at some IR heaters for our balcony.

I have a forced air unit.  Not as nice as the Reznor unit  :wow:

I think the Natural Gas really drops the cost of operation. It only cost $75 bucks last month to keep the Garage pretty warm throughout below freezing weather while I was working on the truck.

No doubt, but I am not allowed ventless or 83% eff Nat Gas heaters in the garage in my village.
The burn chamber needs to sealed & pull outside air, so it has to be 90% eff to be code here.
Village?

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Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: sscully on January 20, 2019, 08:47:27 PM
No doubt, but I am not allowed ventless or 83% eff Nat Gas heaters in the garage in my village.
The burn chamber needs to sealed & pull outside air, so it has to be 90% eff to be code here.
Village?

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It is the legal term for the municipality I live in EG: Village of Bensenville.

Sorry the Mrs does insurance for Public Not for Profit entities and referring to the legal municipality structure has been ingrained into my head after a decade +.

I used to generically call everything a city, but that means something else structurally in IL ( as does town ).
It makes a huge difference with what she does, so she cannot fall into the generic naming less she screw up the insurance policies.  E&Os are a bad thing for what she does, and is very career limiting.
Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: sscully on January 20, 2019, 09:04:08 PM
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Don't I wish it was that quite.  With it being single digits jet engines make a hell of a racket taking off.

(http://www.skytamer.com/6.1/IL/Chicago,O'Hare_b.jpg)

Lower left hand corner is where I live. <2 miles walking route to the edge of the airport.
- Mechanic is 1.1 miles walking on streets, and another 5 blocks east on Irving Park Rd from there is airport property.
If you magnify the image, you can make out the water retention area behind my house. 
Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: Kitzy on January 21, 2019, 09:33:50 AM
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Don't I wish it was that quite.  With it being single digits jet engines make a hell of a racket taking off.

([url]http://www.skytamer.com/6.1/IL/Chicago,O'Hare_b.jpg[/url])

Lower left hand corner is where I live. <2 miles walking route to the edge of the airport.
- Mechanic is 1.1 miles walking on streets, and another 5 blocks east on Irving Park Rd from there is airport property.
If you magnify the image, you can make out the water retention area behind my house.
I understand.  My previous residence was about 4  miles from LVIA airport (not exactly a big city airport but large enough).  It didn't affect the noise level over the house much.  Trains down by the river were louder actually.  But you can't go anywhere in the area without hearing all the aircraft.  And Cassie's sister actually lives less than a half mile from the end of the runway. 

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Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: sscully on January 21, 2019, 11:38:53 AM
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Don't I wish it was that quite.  With it being single digits jet engines make a hell of a racket taking off.

([url]http://www.skytamer.com/6.1/IL/Chicago,O'Hare_b.jpg[/url])

Lower left hand corner is where I live. <2 miles walking route to the edge of the airport.
- Mechanic is 1.1 miles walking on streets, and another 5 blocks east on Irving Park Rd from there is airport property.
If you magnify the image, you can make out the water retention area behind my house.
I understand.  My previous residence was about 4  miles from LVIA airport (not exactly a big city airport but large enough).  It didn't affect the noise level over the house much.  Trains down by the river were louder actually.  But you can't go anywhere in the area without hearing all the aircraft.  And Cassie's sister actually lives less than a half mile from the end of the runway. 

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ABE, that's a cute little airport..

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Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: Kitzy on January 21, 2019, 11:42:17 AM
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Don't I wish it was that quite.  With it being single digits jet engines make a hell of a racket taking off.

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Lower left hand corner is where I live. <2 miles walking route to the edge of the airport.
- Mechanic is 1.1 miles walking on streets, and another 5 blocks east on Irving Park Rd from there is airport property.
If you magnify the image, you can make out the water retention area behind my house.
I understand.  My previous residence was about 4  miles from LVIA airport (not exactly a big city airport but large enough).  It didn't affect the noise level over the house much.  Trains down by the river were louder actually.  But you can't go anywhere in the area without hearing all the aircraft.  And Cassie's sister actually lives less than a half mile from the end of the runway. 

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ABE, that's a cute little airport..

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Yeah I know.  It's nothing to brag about but the concept is the same.  Most people drive down to the Philly airport.  Or take a 15 minute (wheels up to wheels down) flight from LVIA to Philly for the real flight. 

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Title: Re: New Work bench area
Post by: Rollingrock on January 22, 2019, 12:54:24 AM
funny stuff fellas
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