The Detailers Cafe
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kitzy on March 18, 2017, 06:20:43 PM
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I did the math. It's about .71 gallons per minute.
https://vimeo.com/209015051
Driveway video uploading.
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Tom, as for the booster pump you mentioned in the shout box. When I go back to work and have regular paychecks rolling in again I am going to call in a well company to come go over everything and talk about putting in a higher flow pump. Current pump is rated at 2gpm and it's pumping from 406 feet deep. My current options look to be either upgrade the pump or install an intermediate tank before the pressure tank. The pressure tank is already cranked to it's max at 40/60.
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Here's the video of the driveway. At 2:07 you can see a small light on a black pole almost dead center of the screen. It's a typical end of driveway light. That's roughly where our property starts. The rest of that road is a private road technically owned by the neighbors.
https://vimeo.com/209017043
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Wow Mike, beautiful location! I can see why you don't have much water pressure though. Can you add a booster pump to get line pressure back up?
As for detailing, even if you had water pressure, you'd have to re-wash anything you detailed by the time you reach the end of your driveway! I guess you'll just have to come to my house to detail. Not only do I have plenty of water pressure, but since Lake Ontario is only 400' away, we have plenty of water too!
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Thanks, Tom! I love it here.
The water pressure will get fixed one way or another. If the well can support a larger pump then I will upgrade it. If it can't then I will have an intermediate tank installed. With my limited knowledge of wells and the research I've done, a booster pump doesnt seem to be an option. I'm not sure how that would work. The well pump is at the bottom of the well which is 406 feet deep. Any kind of pump after that would have to somehow pull more water through that pump. Rule of thumb is 1gpm per water fixture. That includes appliances, toilets and outdoor spigots. Installed currently is a 2gpm pump which I'm assuming is struggling to lift water 400 feet upward resulting in less than 1gpm. The house has 11 fixtures. I need to find out why a 2gpm was installed in the first place. I'll know more when I call in a professional.
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From what I remember of Fluid Mechanics from college (I sat next to Thomas Edison), you will need an intermediate tank / reservoir someplace because you can only pump uphill so far.
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From what I remember of Fluid Mechanics from college (I sat next to Thomas Edison), you will need an intermediate tank / reservoir someplace because you can only pump uphill so far.
I believe that's the reasoning for not seeing closer to the 2gpm that the pump is rated at, which is ridiculous to begin with. My worry is that the well can't support more and that's why they never installed anything larger. 400 feet is a long way to send water up. As the pump continues to pump water in to the pipe, that weight of the water wants to overcome the force of the pump. It's amazing it even works at all.
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That's why you put a big intermediate tank / reservoir in. You slowly fill it from the well over time, but draw from it at a reasonable clip when you need it. And, since it's closer to the elevation of your house, the pump from the reservoir will not suffer so much from head loss.
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The one nice thing about the water pressure... It's next to impossible to run out of hot water because I'm pretty sure the hot water heater is heating the water faster than the pump can supply it. So there's that. If you are lucky enough for timing to be on your side, the pressure tank will kick back on and reach max pressure while rinsing off and you can end your shower with as much water pressure as possible.
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400ft is a really deep well (from what little I know)!
I'm sure the shower is fun too. Detailing is not conducive to your set up currently.
My Uncle was a plumber in a former life and said the reservoir tank is really the only decent solution.
Best of luck and you certainly are in some really nice country. The lack of water pressure is worth it.
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It is a really deep well.
I'm hoping the neighbor is able to get screenings from the electric company like he said he was going to try to do. That would go a long way in cleaning up the road.
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Another video. This one is of the shower. Check out that pressure...
https://vimeo.com/209404999
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That's like showering in the rain, lol.
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Yeah from a 4" cloud.
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I am no well expert but becoming one. Our well is 280 ft. It only has a .5 HP pump it needs a 1.5 as I can only use it for 4 heads at a time on the lawn.
Could be that simple but pulling that pump out is not an easy task.
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I am no well expert but becoming one. Our well is 280 ft. It only has a .5 HP pump it needs a 1.5 as I can only use it for 4 heads at a time on the lawn.
Could be that simple but pulling that pump out is not an easy task.
It could be that simple. Very easy for a company to come in and coil all the pipe up. I'm just not holding my breath on it being that simple. Too many variables.
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I think I improved the pressure slightly and I have room to tweak it just a bit more... Maybe. I was doing some reading and I adjusted the pressure settings on the pressure tank awhile back but I never adjusted the air to compensate. By default the tank is set to 30/50 psi with the air set to 28. I wasn't aware that the air should always be 2psi lower than the turn on (low) number. So I drained the tank last night. Got some nice chocolate milk looking water out of the second half of it. The air was actually 10 psi lower than it should have been originally as it was at 18ish psi. So I put it 38psi since I had the tank set to 40/60. I think it through my settings out of each though as I haven't seen it rise above 45psi on the gauge now. So I need to tinker. The water pressure seems much more consistent now with just a tad more pressure. It doesnt randomly drop pressure as soon as you soap up your face.
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At least that's an improvement!
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At least that's an improvement!
I was wrong. Haha. I filled a gallon jug today and it took 3 seconds longer than last time and it seems like the faucets have all gone back to the way they were. Now I'm starting to wonder if it was my imagination or if possibly the bladder on the pressure tank could be bad. I'm half tempted to drain it again and check the air.
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So today I lost almost ALL water pressure. Faucets would start out fine and then 5-10 seconds later be at a trickle. Pressure tank was at the max so I assumed that was fine. I tried running water straight out of the hookup immediately after the water filter and flow seemed fine. Then it dawned on me that the house was backflowing down to that hook up. Haha oops. Turned off the valve after the filter and boom, very low flow. The filter was only 3-4 months old but I think I stirred up so much crap from the pressure tank that clogged the filter. Luckily I had a spare from the two pack I bought when we moved in and now the pressure is back to where it was AFTER I adjusted the tank this last time. The jug fill up in the video took about 1:24. The other day it took 1:27. Today, after the tank adjustments and filter change... 52 seconds. This is as good as it gets given the current setup.
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Whoa! I got a damn good shower today. I'm going to keep an eye on the water filter. I ordered two more. At roughly $7 a piece, I will change them every month if I have to.
https://vimeo.com/212513053
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Had to rebuild all our well plumbing today. Including adding a new screen filter. Our old filter was there but with no screen. Totally useless. With the our changes we are only getting 42psi. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170410/7e7ee1c668571f9055643ee8a41c5ac1.jpg)
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The only gauge i have is on the pressure tank. I ordered a gauge though that should be here this week because I'm curious to see what I'm getting at the outlets.
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Do you think you have sediment somewhere else after the filter? Or, was it just getting clogged up quick without the screen in place?
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Whoa! I got a damn good shower today. I'm going to keep an eye on the water filter. I ordered two more. At roughly $7 a piece, I will change them every month if I have to.
https://vimeo.com/212513053
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Almost enough pressure to rinse off a vehicle!
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Do you think you have sediment somewhere else after the filter? Or, was it just getting clogged up quick without the screen in place?
Was this directed at me or Jason? If I have a screen, I don't know where it is or where it would go. Haha. I think I blocked my filter up draining the pressure tank. I filled a clear bucket up with water that looked like chocolate milk. I let it sit there for a week (laziness) and it settled to a layer of actual dirt or whatever it was on the bottom. You could see the granules clear as day in the bottom 2-3" of the bucket.
I feel like I could definitely rinse off a vehicle now. I don't think the foam gun would be super effective though.
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A low GPM electric Pressure washer may just be the ticket for you.
That's if you ACTUALLY want to start keeping your vehicles clean again :uugly:
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A low GPM electric Pressure washer may just be the ticket for you.
That's if you ACTUALLY want to start keeping your vehicles clean again :uugly:
Well, it's a lot less work leaving them dirty. Haha.
I got my gauge today. I'm getting 42psi at the outdoor spigot. I don't even want to know what it used to be at.
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Did you check what the water coming off the bottom of the hot water heater looks like ?
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Did you check what the water coming off the bottom of the hot water heater looks like ?
I did. It wasn't too bad. I had to drain some of the hot water heater when we moved in so I could open it up and put some hydrogen peroxide in it to get rid of the rotten egg smell from sitting unused for a while. It was either that or an expensive powered anode rod. I chose the $3 option over the $300 option.
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Haha. Guess who won't be washing their truck...
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Yikes
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I hear that you should have some nice weather coming your way at least.
Yay for 4x4.
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Beautiful out this morning. The road however, is an absolute wreck. Looks like a mini version of the Grand Canyon. I feel bad for anyone with a car... Like Cassie's WRX with it's brand new wheels and tires. Haha. Luckily she isnt your average girl and knows how to traverse the rough stuff.
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Does anyone maintain it?
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Does anyone maintain it?
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I was made to sign a road agreement. There are 5 houses that use the road to access their driveways. Everyone was supposed to sign it but apparently atleast two of the neighbors refused. One house only uses the first 50 feet or so. I understand their refusal as they only use maybe 5% of the road so why should they be responsible for maintaining all of it. Two of the other house are related (also related to the woman who sold us the house) and to my knowledge they both signed. The one other house actually does more for the road than anyone and he refused to sign for some reason. What's weird is it seems nobody knows the first family on the road. I've spoken to some of the other neighbors and they have never met them. I have spoken a few times with the other family who refused to sign and he has been great to me. However he doesn't seem to care for the others and after speaking g to the others, they don't seem to care for him. Best I can figure is he's a bit of a partier and can get loud. He works for a paving company and in the winter keeps equipment at his house and freshens up the road when it gets bad from plowing. Even offered to take care of my driveway for me when it snowed. I maintain the overgrowth on the road so the road remains passable. I may end up borrowing a skid steer and seeing if u can level the road back off. I might be able to get a grader which would be even better.
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Funny. After going to the gym after my last post, the second driveway closest to the main road, also the longest driveway on the street and easily the most destroyed out of everyone's, well the owner I guess fixed his driveway all the way down to the main road. So now half of the road coming in is fixed.
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